From nobody Mon Aug 5 14:18:51 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Wcz8X3NFHz5S6ky for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 14:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Wcz8W5DCqz4NB2 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 14:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=cschubert.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com designates 3.97.99.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com Received: from shw-obgw-4004a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.227]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id athAs8fKyMArNayYUsypOk; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 14:19:22 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.152.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id ayYTsJOYLKHV8ayYUsxTUW; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 14:19:22 +0000 X-Auth-User: cschuber X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=XeEqz555 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=66b0df6a a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:117 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:17 a=_jzkOgRGGJh6tR6o:21 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=yoJbH4e0A30A:10 a=jTnka_m5AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=rBaSulU4iDO-JhjzPxkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=1dhr_1I44dJbMKvTTStr:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (walden [192.168.0.252]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 958A566CF; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:18:51 -0700 From: Cy Schubert To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Bakul Shah , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <704D020F-78A4-4926-AE3C-41F7FD619A89@cschubert.com> List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfN7DGj3H0k7jDNTMizEKYMkHJ4IDX38iLt6kx7sUo6tw9li5ngs4S0HdN/trwFjrWRiVIfCrgqyfHjOzEnl7sRlXpE5yBL2IhmxMX+p0ao7HPGFSZvZJ V7n+QoEUxWB//Oe0UqL5Rpgb7r9d4D6XrNZWoOjsK2vpUkxH5VOdhXtJ3BZcpo16jGu90jVi4fDjL4l6qi6xkWHqrSedhB4atXkMrvxlP9nU1zvL0Q14r0dL 0RrlNwV2Jb/uWR/KOiLupA== X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[cschubert.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.50)[-0.497]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[3.97.99.33:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:3.97.99.32/31]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.97.99.33:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Wcz8W5DCqz4NB2 On July 31, 2024 10:49:52 AM PDT, Bakul Shah wrote: >All this talk won't lead to anything much so a suggestion to >those who want Rust in the FreeBSD base: why not exec it in a >fork? That'll force you to solve practical problems, give you >good experience [may be even cure you of this strange desire >;-)] and If it looks like a success, more people will join=2E > Sorry for being late to the party=2E Last day of vacation; picking up phon= e reading this thread=2E Like much in this business (been doing this stuff for about 50 years now) = there is a cohort unwilling to roll up their sleeves and put some skin in t= he game, expecting others already with long todo lists to drop everything t= o produce the desired result=2E To them I say, build a proof of concept and= show us=2E --=20 Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD=2Eorg NTP: Web: https://nwtime=2Eorg e^(i*pi)+1=3D0 Pardon the typos=2E Tiny keyboard in use=2E