From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 13 23:56:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB87723; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gg0-x22a.google.com (gg-in-x022a.1e100.net [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c02::22a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FFF8C6; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k4so1070841ggn.15 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:56:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8e8mltNubW/B+LUoVjPCK4RMyhDEQfY3n9KjTnF6f20=; b=ZaudNftGe69dJBJqtkNnrL/jgUxVZxLZsFTTZSNiDvYvz9ubxwVZCsO7TrYuLU3F57 301M+V9CJ/lG95HvZAvHcJT0K8dcXeUQg9LxX3M4xlWz+uTP3G6phhH7QY+DRpHpmulB Hx9KVACmpfzNvFu2irUrrbbLF8cOOy1FA/OlpncNu10DcHtVgC2DnIL1rZhufS0+eygs CRGES4sg7U5N4oN0udzET1R62O1MFpBWZRcZbBR1dC7bgGujBjKzD8hBc1kQNPcDvNCt E6+vTewppHBVOYQM57+UQbrcYQtYhpIlMKspp9/27C3WxCTrYUKn7LTFm8ywa8uYoFHP XZ6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.128.116 with SMTP id e80mr29072180yhi.111.1360799766750; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:56:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.71.204 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:56:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201302131048.06370.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <201302111606.06731.jhb@freebsd.org> <201302131048.06370.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:56:06 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6Nz21BeVlNGfvUnQkuPMHnrX-F8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 9.1-RELEASE AMD64 crash under VBox 4.2.6 when IO APIC is disabled From: CeDeROM To: John Baldwin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:56:11 -0000 On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM, John Baldwin wrote: >> The simple answer that I have deduced is that APIC is MANDATORY for >> AMD64 machines and they won't run otherwise? This is why generic AMD64 >> install fails when no APIC is enabled in the VBox? > > No, it is not quite like that. x86 machines have two entirely different > sets of interrupt controllers. (...) Hello John :-) Things now are more clear to me, thank you for your extensive explanation!! :-) I am wondering in that case if it wouldn't be a good idea to put atpci (old x86 IRQ handler) in the GENERIC configuration, or at least in the default installer kernel, so it is a safe fallback for a AMD64 machines with no APIC support, as for example VBox with APIC disabled..? Is atpic removed on purpose so it enforces use of new APIC and so better performance? Thank you! :-) Tomek Cedro -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info