From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 12 11:04:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBF71065670 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99998FC1C for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CF91FFC51; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D044C844DA; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:04:18 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Matthias Andree" References: <1AE2F4B0675743BAB0C54954FBA787CA@multiplay.co.uk> <4B982E57.2050408@gmx.de> <86vdd3kkxx.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:04:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Matthias Andree's message of "Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:38:26 +0100") Message-ID: <867hphiyx9.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To sendmail or to postfix that is the question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:04:21 -0000 "Matthias Andree" writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Matthias Andree writes: > > > sendmail's configuration was never a black art unless you needed > > > features beyond what the m4 macro set supported. > > The m4 macro set is a fairly recent development. > If "more than a decade" is a "fairly recent development", Well, yes, actually. I remember having to edit sendmail.cf even for trivial stuff like setting the sender domain and the outgoing smtp relay, what, fifteen years ago? Definitely less than fifteen. I still have the first edition of the bat book; it's almost as thick as my single-volume paperback edition of The Lord of the Rings, and has larger pages. More importantly, if you raise your eyes a few centimeters, you'll notice the word "never" which I think we can all agree is patently untrue. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no