From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 14 13:43:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A59137B404; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amsfep13-int.chello.nl (amsfep13-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04E543FBF; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from internal ([213.46.141.159]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030814204259.POWT16676.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@internal>; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:42:59 +0200 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: "'Robert Watson'" , "'twig les'" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:42:54 +0200 Organization: SiteTronics Message-ID: <000501c362a4$a3986ce0$9f8d2ed5@internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to -advocacy X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:43:02 -0000 > I certainly didn't mean to chastise :-). I was just saying that > certifications are odd things -- they have value in strange ways. My = main > concern was that people seemed to think it had value from a practical > security implementation perspective -- I'm not sure that it does. = It's > value is entirely in market, PR, et al, and I agree that there is > substantial value to be had there, if approached the right way. Since I brought up the subject, I'd like to clarify that I wasn't = promoting the idea from a security perspective; I'm sorry that I posted it there instead of here, in the first place. I concur that its value is in the fields you specify and that it must be approached in said right way = (which is why I'm also hesitating with going ahead and donating for this = cause). I think the first step is figuring out how we're going to go at this; the = next step is making it publicly known and raking in the dough to make it = happen ;) > I agree with these conclusions entirely. RedHat plays a valuable role = in > the Linux world in a variety of ways, and one of the most important is = to > provide the kind of support and legitimacy presence that many large > companies are looking for. Having one for the FreeBSD world would > certainly provide a lot of swing for FreeBSD. It would also change = the > dynamic of the FreeBSD Project substantially, I expect, but it would = be > hard to predict too much how. I think that many people hoped that = BSDi > could play this role for FreeBSD, but obviously that didn't work out = :-). RedHat is pretty much Linux' college daddy at this point (discounting = SuSE) in that it spends tons of money with the R&D of Linux. There's obviously = not this financial "father" of FreeBSD at this point, but if we work hard enough, I think we can get a bunch of kids to give us their "lunch = money" (so to speak). =20 > So, if you know of a small company that wants to get bigger, and wants = to > give a spin at promoting FreeBSD in this manner (and making money off = it > in a sustainable way), I would encourage you to encourage them. I'm = sure > there are a fair number of FreeBSD developers who would like to work = for > such a company, if they thought it was viable. I would certainly love to do this. Let me know when this company starts = (or when you're starting one). I don't have the financial or business = capacity to start it. --Devon