Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 08:49:06 +0100 From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com> To: Mike Watkins <mike.watkins@solutionroute.ca> Cc: Ed Maste <emaste@freebsdfoundation.org>, freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Foundation Laptop Support target hardware and desktop environments Message-ID: <EA452B93-C141-419C-BCC3-64ED2C5802A8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8f8d6ff6677ddf569e81ac103acf22a1d0e7ec64.camel@solutionroute.ca> References: <CAAeFWmncytpVw3=3yAoeeyn-xFsYb_4T3GmczeaGSRBKN_q64Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAAeFWmn_Jq=%2BstsXNohkdtBx=ODZ1NohohsL-5mn5MQynwQd5Q@mail.gmail.com> <8f8d6ff6677ddf569e81ac103acf22a1d0e7ec64.camel@solutionroute.ca>
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Comments inline=E2=80=A6 > El 13 feb 2025, a las 19:01, Mike Watkins = <mike.watkins@solutionroute.ca> escribi=C3=B3: >=20 >> For the desktop environment we'll start with KDE, as it is popular >> and has an active development team. >> = https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/deskt= op-environment.md >=20 > While that makes perfect sense from a FreeBSD-centric viewpoint, KDE > isn't the most popular desktop environment in the *nix world, GNOME = is, > by far. GNOME has always been the most popular desktop environment on > *nix desktops. >=20 > = https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=3Dgnome-panel%2Cgnome-shel= l%2Ckde-runtime%2Cxfce4-panel%2Clxpanel%2Ckde-plasma-desktop&show_installe= d=3Don&want_legend=3Don&from_date=3D2000-01-01&to_date=3D&hlght_date=3D&da= te_fmt=3D%25Y-%25m&beenhere=3D1 >=20 > Some will argue that GNOME is too systemd-centric to be a good fit for > FreeBSD; I'd argue that I've used it on systemd-free Linux > distributions for years, and also suggest that active support on non- > systemd Linux platforms, and non-Linux platforms, can only help to > avoid systemd lock-in from becoming a future reality. I humbly consider myself desktop-agnostic, switching from KDE to GNOME, = MATE, etc. depending on the environment I=E2=80=99m currently working = on. I too have a non-system platform with GNOME running nicely on it and = the only thing that makes KDE attractive to me is that it supports my = cameras=E2=80=99 raw formats automagically.=20 > Current GNOME 47 ships on a variety of non-systemd Linux distributions > including Alpine and Chimera Linux; on Void Linux (also non-systemd) > they tend to skip one GNOME release a year. > I'm not selling GNOME for my own wants; I prefer and use River on > FreeBSD and Linux. I do believe letting GNOME languish in ports is > problematic. Perhaps a scoping effort for what it would take to bring > GNOME up to date could at least be considered at some point by this > project. 1+ >> We're targeting Wayland as it's important for long-term viability, >> although in the short term KDE on X11 is the usable approach. >=20 > I applaud targetting Wayland.=20 1+ as long as it gets the same level of simplicity as Xorg when = installing it.
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