From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 13:11:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76B116A41F for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from speedfactory.net (mail6.speedfactory.net [66.23.216.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697ED43D46 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:11:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (unverified [66.23.211.162]) by speedfactory.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 2869126 for multiple; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:09:25 -0500 Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAUDBOee080317; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:11:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:11:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <051130150754.M0701416@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <051130150754.M0701416@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511300811.22458.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1653887525 Cc: Takeo Hashimoto Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:11:38 -0000 On Wednesday 30 November 2005 01:07 am, Takeo Hashimoto wrote: > Currently every subscriber has to spend their time > wading through the spam to pick up the ones which are not spam. > (Of course it is dissipation of resources.) Yes, I use spamassassin personally. Also, I should note that FreeBSD.org's= =20 mail server employs some aggressive spam filtering which stops a lot of it= =20 from showing up on FreeBSD lists. Perhaps the jp folks could setup some sp= am=20 filtering on their mail server as well to cut down on the load. Note that= =20 only a couple of FreeBSD.org lists are restrict_post, most are open. > > This means that someone new to FreeBSD > > will likely have their questions lost because the e-mail will never > > make it to the list (e.g. freebsd-questions) and would make it that > > much harder for new people to get help getting started with FreeBSD. > > It is not difficult to subscribe ML > even if they are new to FreeBSD. I think you overestimate the skill of some newbies. The other problem is t= hat=20 some ML, like questions@, get a large number of e-mails a day. I'm not sur= e=20 it's fair to require a user to wade through a hundred or more non-spams jus= t=20 so they can ask a question. > > Adding restrict_post actually is a lot of work on the admins since > > someone has to handle all the bounced e-mails. > > I think we can simply ignore them (>/dev/null). > > If you have better idea to stop deliver spam, > please let me know. Most of the FreeBSD developers when we have had discussions on spam recentl= y=20 have concluded that the spam problem is so large and extent, that the only= =20 real solution is for the receiver to block spam. For example, since you've= =20 submitted a PR, you'll probably now get just as much spam from that and thi= s=20 e-mail exchange as you would by being on a jp list. The actual advocacy@=20 list might not get as much spam sent to it, but your personal e-mail addres= s=20 will be flooded, so you're going to need to setup some filtering on your=20 receiving end no matter what. You can see more responses about that if you= =20 look at the recent thread on cvs-all about the commit to query-pr.cgi to=20 sort-of hide e-mail addresses. =2D-=20 John Baldwin =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org