From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Sep 17 07:49:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14987 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14976 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0v31Rb-000QjnC; Tue, 17 Sep 96 16:48 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA09091; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:43:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199609171443.QAA09091@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: XF86 & fvwm Problem, Help? (fwd) To: davidn@sdev.blaze.net.au (David Nugent) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:43:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Questions) In-Reply-To: from "David Nugent" at Sep 18, 96 00:31:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Nugent writes: > > On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> I'm going back to startx, unless you can give me some reason why I >>> should consider xdm that isn't obvious to the uninitiated, and tell >>> me how to REALLY get out of it. >> >> xdm is great for people who never want (nor need) to see a character >> mode display. > > I must be missing something. What's wrong with Ctrl-Alt-F? to get > back to your character term vts while X is running? Hmmm. This seems to be general knowledge in which I don't share. That's probably because I've been using Thomas Roell's X server (now XInside) for nearly 5 years, and it doesn't work that way. But there's definitely something wrong with any key combination which will take you out of X. I use a number of control-alt-Fx combinations for emacs, though I suppose I wouldn't have done so if XFree86 had been available at the time. > Works fine > here. Works especially well for solving problems (like X locking > up) that you describe. > >> Unfortunately, not everything runs under X, and xdm >> effectively takes away some of your freedom. > > Does something not run in an xterm? ddb, for example. > Yeah, sure, it is certainly a matter of personal preference, and > X isn't the panacea. :) > >> I use xinit myself, and >> for the life of me I can't recall what the difference is from startx. >> Not much, anyway. You could consider them interchangeable. > > Startup and login are somewhat different. Your shell logins, for > example, aren't read unless you such them into your .xsession. Aha. Thanks. Greg