From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 14 09:25:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCBD72CD; Thu, 14 May 2015 09:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cloud.theravensnest.org", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A895716A4; Thu, 14 May 2015 09:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (cpc16-cmbg15-2-0-cust60.5-4.cable.virginm.net [86.5.162.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t4E9PpYk039348 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 May 2015 09:25:53 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: theravensnest.org: Host cpc16-cmbg15-2-0-cust60.5-4.cable.virginm.net [86.5.162.61] claimed to be [192.168.0.7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: [RFC] Replace gnu groff in base by heirloom doctools From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <20150514092407.GD11201@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:25:32 +0100 Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20150514000211.GA9410@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <2915B2EB-DE58-451B-801B-92EB7CBCAA43@FreeBSD.org> <20150514085948.GC11201@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20A766BD-1AE4-44B2-B508-CD2E96B5DD65@FreeBSD.org> <20150514092407.GD11201@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> To: Baptiste Daroussin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:25:56 -0000 On 14 May 2015, at 10:24, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >=20 > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:13:18AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: >> On 14 May 2015, at 09:59, Baptiste Daroussin = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 09:55:19AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: >>>> On 14 May 2015, at 01:02, Baptiste Daroussin = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> - it is partially CDDL partially BSD license. >>>>=20 >>>> We currently have a WITHOUT_CDDL knob that some people use. If we = don=E2=80=99t build the CDDL parts, what will break? >>>>=20 >>> Exactly the same thing that breaks right now WITHOUT_GNU and/or = WITHOUT_CXX aka >>> you won't have the main part of the toolchain (aka troff/nroff) >>=20 >> But man pages will still work via mandoc? WITHOUT_GNU is known not = to work (though we=E2=80=99re trying to address that with 11). = WITHOUT_CDDL is generally expected to give a working system currently. >=20 > Yes since I switched the default manpage renderer to mandoc(1) :) = (meaning that > WITHOUT_GNU is also not blocking manpage rendering) Sounds good to me. Probably warrants a release notes entry specifically = documenting that change, but otherwise sounds like a big improvement! David