From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 17 19:56:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (mail.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F19F137B400 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 64967 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 04:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO proxy.pt.com) (151.201.71.209) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 04:03:22 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology To: "Mike Meyer" Subject: Re: Natural stone tables Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:24:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Sierchio References: <20020217114119.HKOG24881.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@ameritech.net> <3C6FF419.7020900@potentialtech.com> <15471.63147.91742.306408@guru.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <15471.63147.91742.306408@guru.mired.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02021722243401.01477@proxy.pt.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday 17 February 2002 13:30, Mike Meyer wrote: > Bill Moran types: > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > What's needed is spam reduction technology. TMDA could deal with this > > > in a way that was painless for subscribers and nearly painless for > > > non-subscribers. Now that I've installed it, the only spam I get is > > > from the freebsd lists. But - who do we talk to about getting it done? > > > > Isn't this like mandating that the entire population of the US wear > > bullet-proof vests intead of arresting the people who are shooting? > > You may have misunderstood me. I'm not advocating that everyone > install TMDA. I'm advocating that TMDA be installed at freebsd.org, > and used to filter mail to the lists. I can see that. I meant to ask earlier and got rushed, but is there anyone who, in an official capacity, makes complaints to ISPs, etc concerning this sort of thing? I occasionally complain to the ISPs about it, but I'm not speaking on behalf of FreeBSD. I think someone stating, "On behalf of the FreeBSD community and the maintainers of the FreeBSD mailing list, I am filing an official complaint." would have a little more weight than just someone who subscribes to a mailing list. > If you're arguing that spam reduction software is inferior to > arresting the spammers, I won't argue. The problem is that we're a > long way from being able to arrest spammers, and the spam reduction > software is here now. There's no reason we can't use what's available > while waiting for something better to become possible. I can agree, mostly. The only part that I disagree with is the waiting. We (as a community) should be _doing_ something active about this. So far, everything I see seems to be directed at getting better systems to detect and reject spam mail. Someone should be lobbying the government to make some laws that can be used against these people. I know a few states have started to do some things, and that's good, but there's more that needs done. Oh well, just ranting, I guess. It's just frustrating that people can be such a$$holes. I had an idea for an autoresponder that would detect spam and tear apart the headers to determine who to complain to, as well as log it so trends (ISPs that are continually harboring spammers) could be detected and harsher action taken. There are lots of tools out there now that do a subset of this job, but nothing that I know of that does all of it. -- Bill Moran Potential Technology technical services http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message