From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 8 12:46:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6451065670 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB2B8FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn35 with SMTP id 35so1040608iwn.13 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mL6aUzraB0vW5WhDG5rcrxycRITq626qHHKSQEnhhbQ=; b=Lw6gwf5Ct59pPmnHaGBgFVWonjyGUE+qG/iWTA57TgAYT29Ex5rFQ3Xt6al+RqQAPq mVVixjKbD735D4hmEsQn0S92B9fuOQK91MYLXstjo59RfiOZPiAinJ0LDKAg9ljdmGAN IGP3enWXksUOZ9qI+ALjRfSnhmmLYdxp2As0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pa4WXyUQ58KAKOMYkYUvzRp6F7JU+kwtywxuoOvhDu4yEigyRcwwP3w1Xt9C9KY4G/ gRqo7iRwiH6eI1Fj+xiTHGRDJTWXXpZUI0Ri3ahZdffA0qNIFzPJOdZJBppBxEuhto/X kA9sN5rEWPTSTNdb0WR/bQw9yOcmXNEi9KgT4= Received: by 10.231.139.195 with SMTP id f3mr8394312ibu.139.1278593202521; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from centel.dataix.local ([99.181.132.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm31630376ibb.20.2010.07.08.05.46.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jul 2010 05:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Message-ID: <4C35C8AF.3070409@dataix.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 08:46:39 -0400 From: jhell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100626 Thunderbird MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marian Hettwer References: <4C34C5DE.7040007@aldan.algebra.com> <20100707185928.GA16180@icarus.home.lan> <4C34E0E6.9070801@aldan.algebra.com> <4C34E910.5020007@aldan.algebra.com> <4C35AE56.1040306@kernel32.de> In-Reply-To: <4C35AE56.1040306@kernel32.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 OpenPGP: id=89D8547E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.x grudges X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 12:46:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: With any major upgrade or release process comes a commitment from the developers and end-users alike that involves a review, testing & release. The release part on the end-users behalf is simply a commitment to follow through & make needed changes to what has been reviewed and tested & continue with the current use accepting the changes. Taking a guess here, but you are probably a manager in a company that is asking you to cut back your test environment because it is hard for you to maintain with a under staffed under knowledged IT department resulting in a non-efficient budget that could end up in more staff being cut. Personally even if the above is not true I would fire you and keep a few more testbeds, just for wasting a free projects developers time by posting non nonsensical radical & somewhat fascist views on this list. Everyone has a bad day once in a while but using a troll type manor while ranting and raving obnoxiously instead of getting involved appropriately is unacceptable and will not solve your problem. - -- "I say things as they are. Slackers are called slackers, people who can't read manual pages are called losers, and in general, calling things what they are results in developers wasting less time." -- Theo +-+-+-+-+-+ |j|h|e|l|l| +-+-+-+-+-+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMNcivAAoJEJBXh4mJ2FR+h68H/1mw7n4/KpDvzDxa8MACUMYI 9lQGKvKIjm2IrOfWlTpnoOAJOYKmsEE2b9fKht0376z1tze/tssNLkFD0CLZt+NK +Vyt7kraqyv6vn85ZQjLU1OD1z8XAOwVI1EMHusGaJi8VfscLerT1rIDplc1hfFt uH5GYnvepyqxKxtB9a2+eXwyjuz/dlfx4Dj8TvhdbfF9Ge5HuzWZcb4xzCIYPeIA KSrqxbOn5bpgiOW4i83hUT88Ntl7ZTw83UfnsiFOPQmtlzfQorc8QOF+gdjGAsG+ k4AuNoo4fBKbu50kSLO4hf+dccIga3Y3a5P2iwS+ANXbsHs9PcSNZ8p35Tk0MM8= =0IA0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----