From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 2 21:31:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02837 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02832 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (root@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15432 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 21:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id AAA06212; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:13:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:13:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199706030413.AAA06212@ethanol.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: davidn@unique.usn.blaze.net.au CC: terry@lambert.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199706022145.HAA08519@unique.usn.blaze.net.au> (message from David Nugent on Tue, 03 Jun 1997 07:45:22 +1000) Subject: Re: Stock Offering (IPO) From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> These are probably people who were suckered into buying a CDROM >> from Cyberpromo or some other shady company. >In my experience, 50%+ of spammers are in the exact same category. >I've said it before, but it is the *providers* of the spammer service >who need to be attacked, not (necessarily) the spammers themselves. >They are outright crooks. But what would be an effective way to attack the spammer providers? For the next five years, they are going to be able to find ignorant marketroids to buy their serivces, even if the entire Internet blocks their mail. Spamming them back is fuitile; that only gets the site blocked, and then other (more rational) complaints don't work. Mind you, presently the CyberBomber has easily blocked headers: Received: from relay4.ispam.net by churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id DAA18949 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 03:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from --- CLOAKED! --- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 00:13:44 -0400 (EDT) X-1: This email was sent by "Cyber-Bomber" ... Details at http://www.cyberpromo.com X-2: This server only relays mail from other sources. X-3: To report abuse, please send email to abuse@cyberpromo.com. X-4: Coming soon --> Master remove list implementation by I.E.M.M.C. Other spammers can be similarly blocked as a temporary measure. But I prefer to keep cyberpromo and other such things out of our world. Happy hacking, jelh -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the Free Software Foundation's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped