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Date:      Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:45:07 -0700 (MST)
From:      "Jonathan M. Slivko" <jon_slivko@simphost.com>
To:        Chris Lucas <admin@redshells.net>
Cc:        Melon <melon@orangenetwork.net>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 137/udp
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011301243140.29090-100000@alpha.simphost.com>
In-Reply-To: <3A26A029.7676CA2F@redshells.net>

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However, if you read my later statement, I said I agree that in this case,
the evidence warrents the assumption that it was a kid that launched the
udp sequence. However, there are alot of extremely bright kids out there
who are good on computers, hence the New York Times
(http://www.nytimes.com) article on it awhile ago. 

And, with that, I would like to end this portion of the discussion.

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Jonathan M. Slivko <jon_slivko@simphost.com>
Technical Support, CoreSync Corporation (http://www.coresync.net)
Team Leader, SecureIRC Project (http://secureirc.sourceforge.net)
Pager/Voicemail: (917) 388-5304
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Lucas wrote:

> Hmm... I'm wondering where he said that 'all' teen computer users are stupid.
> The way I read it was that he thought he was hacked. I think we all can agree
> that the majority of hacking activity is coming from kids these days. Many
> older "hackers" know better and would rather not end up in jail, hence the
> reference to stupid kids.
> 
> "Jonathan M. Slivko" wrote:
> 
> > I know that my response to this e-mail isn't technical, but a comment on
> > some of the language used on this mail that I am replying to. Apparently,
> > someone out there seems to think that all the teen computer users out
> > there are stupid kids. I fail to agree with you, even though I am a
> > "stupid kid" to put it in your words, even though I am 18 years old. So, I
> > personally take offense at that statement and would request that you
> > refrain from using such derogative statements in further e-mails on this
> > issue. This is a constructive e-mail list, and not a mail list where
> > people express their opinions on what other people, children no less
> > do.
> >
> > However, I do have to agree with you on one point, the evidence that you
> > have shown us appears to be consistent with the workings of an
> > inexperienced user, not neccessarily a child, mind you. But, that is
> > besides the point. I would have expected better language from a network
> > administrator, being that I am one myself, for a rather large company. If
> > you would like to take this matter up further, please don't hesitate to
> > E-Mail me personally. My E-Mail address is listed on the bottom of this
> > E-Mail. Thank You for your time.
> >
> > -- Jonathan M. Slivko
> >
> > ----
> > Jonathan M. Slivko <jon_slivko@simphost.com>
> > Technical Support, CoreSync Corporation (http://www.coresync.net)
> > Team Leader, SecureIRC Project (http://secureirc.sourceforge.net)
> > Pager/Voicemail: (917) 388-5304
> > ----
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Melon wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > All network administrator may always see rejected 137/udp packet...
> > >
> > > I want to know how these udp packets are occured?
> > > I expect some stupid kids attacked me. However, is there any exception?
> > >
> > > Someone sent only 3 137/udp packets to specific IP address. In general,
> > > these stupid does not sent to specific IP address, sent to all IP
> > > addresses I have.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > - Melon
> > >
> > >
> > >
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