From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 17:09:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CEFE91C01 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8135D6D0FB for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (115-166-31-52.dyn.iinet.net.au [115.166.31.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id vB9H8tx1025056 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 09:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <0f11ca9a-c28f-6667-9509-11a1ba05ff98@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:08:49 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:09:04 -0000 On 7/12/17 12:16 pm, Don Lewis wrote: > On 6 Dec, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to propose the deprecation then removal of sendmail in base. >> >> Deprecation will happen in the form of FreeBSD 12.0 being built WITHOUT_SENDMAIL >> by default >> >> removal would happen in FreeBSD 13.0 >> >> sendmail in base it not really usable as a full featured mta due to the fact it >> does not support anything an entreprised grade mta setup would require: ldap >> support for example, check the number of options available in the sendmail port. >> >> Users for that use case would be better served by the port version of sendmail. >> >> The other kind of users are the one using the default setup of sendmail: >> relaying emails externally and deliver locally. > I've found that sendmail in base meets my needs. I haven't had the need > for any of the features that are only available in the port. "me too". How about you just leave it there until we have pkgbase by default and then just swap it. I have enough scripts and configs around that I don't want to revisit to fix all this. I hardly remember how they work.. They've been untouched except for upgrades for about a decade. > It doesn't looks like dma(8) would be useful for me on my primary > machines since I basically need its inverse. It would only be useful > on my headless machines to forward cron-generated mail to my mail > server. I don't do any local delivery of mail to mbox files. My mail > server delivers all mail to cyrus-imapd via lmtp, which is a fairly > simple tweak to the sendmail.mc file. I also have a couple of mail > relays that do some smart routing and spam filtering. > > One thing that is comes with sendmail in base but is missing from the > sendmail port is all the handy stuff in /etc/mail, such as the > freebsd.mc template, the aliases file, and the Makefile which makes > maintaining the config files and the .db files much easier. Without > this stuff, setting up the sendmail port would be much more > intimidating. amen a sendmail-freebsd port maybe? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"