From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 13 4: 3:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD4714CC1 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:03:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00162; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: David Schwartz Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pcisupport.c In-Reply-To: <000001be9cf5$3ee86210$021d85d1@whenever.youwant.to> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 May 1999, David Schwartz wrote: > > > If so, maybe it's right. Of course, then, I and most of the folks that > > write the code would leave. The rest could hold arguments about how > > they'd like to have things coded. Don't read this last paragraph as > > sarcastic, it's not meant that way; it does reflect the truth, I think. > > Part of this is also the difference between a commercial and a free > project. But I think that to the extent that you believe your own argument, > you lend credibility to those who say that FreeBSD and Linux won't be able > to compete in the corporate arena because what's coded is what the > developers want, rather than what the users want/need. > > I don't know all the answers. I know that argument is wrong, > and I think your argument is right. I'm just not sure how it is that > those things reconcile. OK. Much of what I'm going to say here is pure opinion, understand; I don't hold it forth as fact (like I did the top paragraph). The situation that I *think* you want, where the users do the controlling, doesn't now and never did exist. I've worked for enough companies to know that you code for your boss, not the public, and what the boss wants very often has nearly nothing at all to do with that which the public is clamoring for. There are isolated cases where the connection between want and need is closer, but it's not the rule. My, that sound cynical. The point I'm want to make is the comparison of free projects. operating as they do by and for the developer, and commercial projects, very often operating by and for the boss. For both, how well they actually offer what the user wants is in no way a direct thing. The point I want to make here is what while its not a direct thing, they both do tend to offer a close facsimile of what the public wants. Let me repeat that: they are neither directly driven by what the public wants, but they both serve that function anyway. In your paragraph above, you assume that developers will do drastically wrong things, and that commercial interests will do drastically right ones. Perhaps I'm putting words in your mouth? Try your top paragraph again, maybe I'll agree closer. The one thing developers won't do (and the single thing I abhor most about commercial interests) is be monpolistic. I detest Microsoft for that reason, and wouldn't work for them, no matter how much lucre they offered. > > DS > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message