From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Jul 26 19:35:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871E237B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labs.unixhideout.com (dsl-65-187-193-189.telocity.com [65.187.193.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E71943E4A for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:35:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sagacious@unixhideout.com) Received: from MIKESBOX ([192.168.1.10]) by labs.unixhideout.com (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6R2ZLGx008271 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:35:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sagacious@unixhideout.com) From: "sagacious" To: Subject: RE: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [integrate X] Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:35:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c23516$42466ee0$0a01a8c0@MIKESBOX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20020726222107.T22790-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When you decide to stay in FreeBSD world and not running to never never land with bill, and actually contributing to the documents section for freebsd do let us know. In the meantime stop complaining. They are doing the best they can for something you buy for "FREE" by the way.. The documentation as it is right now is not scarce. _at all_ Every one else is doing just fine. No one is going to hold your hand, or anyone else's. As far as a DESKTOP goes. Even I don't see FreeBSD being a desktop. Because it is not. I have a windows box for my desktop. BSD is a server, and some savvy hackers do like it for a desktop, and they do fine also. I occasionally like to startx. But I cannot live in it. When Redhat linux came out it wasn't so bad. Then they added all this crap in it for the pinheads. Now look at it. It's a POS. I hope FreeBSD doesn't make it any easier. That's all we need is a corrupted userbase like linux. sagacious (Mike) Network administrator The unixhideout network http://www.unixhideout.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Peter Leftwich Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:27 PM To: Dan Nelson Cc: Michael Wells; FreeBSD LIST Subject: Re: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [integrate X] On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Dan Nelson wrote: > Peter> Will FreeBSD's core of developers ever leap into integrating X *and* a window manager (something similar to Windows)? I surely hope so. > If you mean pulling X into the FreeBSD CVS tree and deciding on a > single window manager, definitely not. Although if you call having an Maybe as a default, or just *having* a default window manager is not a bad idea. CVS-savvy and code-savvy FreeBSD users could easily over-ride. > XFree86-Server package, and over a dozen window manager packages, > selectable by sysinstall during the install process, integration, we > already have it, and have for years. > -- > Dan Nelson - dnelson@allantgroup.com The packages offered by the sysinstall process are usually behind by a few weeks. When I installed 4.3 from CDROMs, it wasn't clear how to install and/or upgrade over FTP. At the time (Feb 2002), XFree86 3.3.6 was the only GUI available and from sysinstall, the process of choosing a windows manager was confusing. Perhaps in the future we'll have a NoviceWM or BeginnerWM or the like. This would be similar to how UNIX ISPs offer a UNIX shell known as "lush" or learning unix shell -- the employees may jokingly call this loser-user-shell because it is a menu'ed way to explore a limited set of UNIX commands. Perhaps sysinstall will feature much better FAQ's and HOWTO documents detailing video drivers, X, and windows managers one day... -- Peter Leftwich President & Founder Video2Video Services Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA +1-413-403-9555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message