From nobody Sat Nov 18 10:38:31 2023 X-Original-To: stable@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4SXVcH0thHz50vtK for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Received: from plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (plan-b.pwste.edu.pl [IPv6:2001:678:618::40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "plan-b.pwste.edu.pl", Issuer "GEANT OV RSA CA 4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4SXVcG4yncz4HXZ; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (zarychtam@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (8.17.2/8.17.2) with ESMTPS id 3AIAcVwe099870 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 18 Nov 2023 11:38:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from zarychtam@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=plan-b.pwste.edu.pl; s=plan-b-mailer; t=1700303912; bh=Y08QpvXuHFAH3Sje+1MTVaJXAi6GmpjpEwl9rlQ1uM4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=SVFwuBlpk2FYZ6KOnYpyf+5zg5a8nrLVlGUj9Yy+PwhKzwlBYKyaKObSlf8cnDNlX iyNDc7d8tQvprYmcLRq2X92MVFci+IL93WGMTAamuJ8iFo4QhiT6ZWqxHBw8szgZUa iVBwCHxgZP9MgehuhUzW6v5qqV/Cv4ABnA/CkdxfaDBvdjzvXTpTI5I9IN/ZbZryCP hzHBDnweV2GsjW3MvN+Ddjci6ut9r9HYyjNZqwfvblKEH7UAYpU5LckOufyje9we1h B1x3C+f0lY9lrDxa4nYp3KxX+6tsuGniN2Mi1PQ6LYBsiBRtIw+IUXSMCu7nrH2rpW h5vlUDxvqCwfA== Received: (from zarychtam@localhost) by plan-b.pwste.edu.pl (8.17.2/8.17.2/Submit) id 3AIAcV1n099869; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 11:38:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from zarychtam) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 11:38:31 +0100 From: Marek Zarychta To: "Piotr P. Stefaniak" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csh to sh migration for root in RELENG_14 Message-ID: References: <6c6add3c-4a5e-4d84-9964-9a9448a36c95@sentex.net> <25943.49653.523313.53953@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-stable List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:206006, ipnet:2001:678:618::/48, country:PL] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4SXVcG4yncz4HXZ Dnia Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:44:18AM +0100, Piotr P. Stefaniak napisał(a): > On 2023-11-18 10:29:08, Marek Zarychta wrote: > > The change of root's shell from csh to sh was to attract a new > > generation of admins who were used to bash and similar shells. There is > > no turning back, no escape from this trend. We will probably also > > transit with $EDITOR from vi to ee in the future. > > I know you're trolling, but to make it clear: that was not the reason. > > Piotr In what way am I trolling? I have been a FreeBSD user for over 25 years. I had no insight and I don't know why the root shell was changed. The fact that tcsh is left in base is enough for me. Wait a few more years and you will see that the default editor will be changed too. The nano editor is copyleft licensed, in base we have ee, so this is a natural path. With kind regards -- Marek Zarychta