From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 21:37:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CB2E3ED for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65F432B29 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s58Lb2eP068611 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:37:02 GMT (envelope-from bdrewery@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from bdrewery@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s58Lb2KU068604 for svn-src-all@freebsd.org; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:37:02 GMT (envelope-from bdrewery) Received: (qmail 99745 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2014 16:37:00 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.0.24?) (freebsd@shatow.net@10.10.0.24) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 8 Jun 2014 16:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <5394D77A.2070709@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 16:36:58 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery Organization: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein , Pedro Giffuni , Konstantin Belousov Subject: Re: svn commit: r267233 - in head: . bin/rmail gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line gnu/usr.bin/binutils/nm gnu/usr.bin/binutils/objcopy gnu/usr.bin/binutils/objdump gnu/usr.bin/binutils/readelf gnu/usr.bin/... References: <201406081729.s58HTWkc006213@svn.freebsd.org> <74512A27-DD5F-4D43-BFA1-0AC04E0D08B4@FreeBSD.org> <20140608182728.GX3991@kib.kiev.ua> <5394ABD2.5040009@mu.org> <20140608184451.GZ3991@kib.kiev.ua> <5394B607.1000109@mu.org> <5394C3D8.7040800@FreeBSD.org> <5394C8C5.1090401@mu.org> In-Reply-To: <5394C8C5.1090401@mu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 OpenPGP: id=6E4697CF; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan2.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ViqOcF4GSFrGFvbtpNoKCKOqsnd8pHDvo" Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 21:37:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ViqOcF4GSFrGFvbtpNoKCKOqsnd8pHDvo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/8/2014 3:34 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > On 6/8/14 1:13 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> Hello; >> >> El 6/8/2014 2:14 PM, Alfred Perlstein escribi=F3: >>> >>> There has to be a way to call out what works and what doesn't work an= d >>> form a transition from a world with no ASLR to one with some ASLR and= >>> eventually one with almost entirely ASLR coverage. I'm not sure it c= an >>> be done in one fell swoop. Hooks like this in -current allow for thi= s >>> to be done as a group effort. >>> >>> It would be very unlikely that we retain the semantics all the way un= til >>> a -stable release. >>> >> >> I am not (yet) criticizing the patches to the build system as I want >> to preserve my innocence ;) ... but perhaps if the semantics are not >> finalized this should be done in a branch. It is my opinion that in >> general we are not using SVN branches as much as we should. >> > IMO branching is great for something that causes instability, known > performance issues or won't build. This is not the same as "changes > build system". >=20 > Putting things like this on branches is likely a good way to imo kill > discussion. >=20 > Right now we have discussion, it's rather healthy. Let's take a while > to think about this before saying this all should be done in a branch. >=20 > -Alfred Yes doing this in a branch would be great if the 2 contributors doing all the work had bits, and if other people critical of their work would be willing to help as well. Alas we don't give bits in these cases so we're stuck with me proxying and them getting little feedback except the big demotivating message from this commit. --=20 Regards, Bryan Drewery --ViqOcF4GSFrGFvbtpNoKCKOqsnd8pHDvo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTlNd6AAoJEDXXcbtuRpfP34MIALOy5CwSumR8BprsGlfmS0wy PG+Xa4FlgTNPrAINcrV0azQdFC5OfSjia+oP+H5mfgdK3ZNXQ6aWzgcXVDTkCAdW Q/9YBvsUSHyDjnVs6HPszCypubFn3LPqx/2ODsxVjoolhKVgDyI8of2hkJ0DosVz eESl9yujeWRE0+3nJKAuDXm1fisM0MrZ7evik6F0yKutRijnLVed1VPLiGGI3YB8 NaEvDnvWh7VJWZ/w3wnTes7Wq0l7FcewKKu9mC5gpsVlI4Ig1LMUqbQ7E3UxB09+ bbQvcxsI+fbbHL1QPVGCNMdJUVmFUWdmB+K9cZzAh79pMFY1HuOcDvwUqfNYDmA= =prkv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ViqOcF4GSFrGFvbtpNoKCKOqsnd8pHDvo--