From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 30 6:31:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nwlynx.network-lynx.net (nwlynx.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC77337B443 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (doze-1.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.106]) by nwlynx.network-lynx.net (8.11.1/8.9.3/Who.Cares) with ESMTP id f5UDUaa16124; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3B3DD475.B44E9882@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:30:29 -0600 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft giving back to FreeBSD !! References: <3B3A2E2F.A74DDCC8@pitt.edu> <3B3A2ECF.6FECA0E3@Silver-Lynx.com> <20010630061123.E20203@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > [ Trimmed Cc: list. Do we have to cross-post? ] > I'm not on -chat, sorry. > On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 01:06:55PM -0600, Don Wilde wrote: > > > "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > > > > > Perhaps now that they are working with Corel on this, and FreeBSD is > > > one of the two supported platforms we can finally get a native port of > > > Corel's office suite. (there you go ... a plausible campaign). > > > > My understanding is that Corel has been running away at hyperspeed from > > Linux. Their Corel Draw graphics suite is no longer supported as a > > front-line product, for example. > > Which linux of them all? > > Oh, oh, you mean Corel Linux? *sigh* > > > > Well, it can be kind of daunting and rather tiresome to try to make > Corel-Draw work out of the box on an infinite number of distributions. > On the other hand, there are loads of programs out there that seem to > manage perfectly fine. > > Corel Draw is a nice program to have. It always seems to do wonders > with graphics, once you get the hang of the usual Corel stupidness of > implementing a GUI of their own and not relying on the OS/API beneath > to provide with the interface style. I even bought a copy of the > program when I was running Linux on my home PC. If not for the sake > of having a nice vector graphics program around, just for making sure > that those few bucks would probably make it apparent that good > commercial software *can* and *will* be bought by Open Source users. > That was my intention, too. > Then support was dropped. And it seemed to bring back all those dim > memories of hating commercial vendors, just because of the ease which > they can 'abandon' their users with. > Believe me, I _hated_ buying a copy for each of 3 Doze boxen. I use Corel a LOT because it's a really easy tool for making concept graphics. We don't have its equivalent. > You mean *that* Corel? > Somehow, I dont seem to be interested in them anymore. > That was my original point, that Linux is losing favor with commercial vendors. The reality is that the Linux/BSD/BEos/XXX market IS tiny except for those outside the "West", and they don't pay cash. It's too easy for a Lexmark (for example) to have Samsung build a piece of utter garbage and call it a printer, package it with an obnoxious windows cycle-stealer of a GUI control suite, and make tons of money from it. American companies (the rich ones, anyway) just don't care about fairness. Apple is doing Mac OS X for their own profitable purposes, not because they want to be different. However, I do see this as a good thing because it will allow us a comfortable little niche where we will be able to pluck from their innovations (especially if M$ does continue this 'shared source' model). We will have to figure out how to do an Aqua compatibility mode pretty soon, because that's where the interesting OS X programs are going to fly. -- Don Wilde http://www.Silver-Lynx.com Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message