From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Nov 10 21:27:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26777 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:27:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from usr02.primenet.com (tlambert@usr02.primenet.com [206.165.6.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26772 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:27:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21873; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:26:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199711110526.WAA21873@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Newest Pentium bug (fatal) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:26:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <17165.879196838@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 10, 97 01:20:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Terry, when will you learn? People aren't just sitting on their > thumbs waiting for Terry The Great Motivator to kick them into action, > there are other major stumbling blocks in the way which are > drastically impeding progress, one such being the fact that Digital > has been completely and totally unable to provide *any* technical > documentation on these machines! NetBSD also doesn't run on them, so > we can't even look "next door" for a peek at what's going on under > their hood, so to speak, and the fact that they run DUX is of little > use since DUX doesn't come with source code. Gee, sounds like you picked the perfoect porting platform... and me sitting here with this Multia with full system documentation, NetBSD source that runs on the thing, Linux source that runs on the thing, and a partial port of the FreeBSD VM code to the thing! Boy, is my face red! > If you really want to help then either get some documentation out of > Digital using your direct pipeline to God (of course Terry talks > directly to God, hasn't everyone here realized that by now? ;-) or > get us a free source code license to Digital Unix so that we can > crib code from them. Oh, yeah, THAT'LL happen. BTW: it's not the people who talk to God you have to worry about, it's the people who claim God talks to them, and that somehow ennobles their position in any discussion. > Either way, get off your high horse and realize that not all issues > can be conveniently steamrollered out of the way just because you say > they should be. If you think an ALPHA port to the Miata is so simple > then why don't *you* do it? Sorry, I only had $400 to sepnd on hardware. If you can't afford hardware and had to have DEC donate it, you probably shoould have gotten them to donate documentation at the same time... PS: Have you checked to see if Linux runs on the thing? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.