From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 7 23:49:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D3816A41F for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:49:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alistair@tyeurgain.free-online.co.uk) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net (mra02.ch.as12513.net [82.153.252.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30E343D49 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:49:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alistair@tyeurgain.free-online.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01327D4443 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01891-01-45 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:49:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fuchsia.ty-eurgain (unknown [82.153.113.63]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60195D4394 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:49:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.125] (juno.ty-eurgain [192.168.0.125]) by fuchsia.ty-eurgain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5295615941 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:49:12 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <436FE7FE.7060702@tyeurgain.free-online.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:49:18 +0000 From: Alistair User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk Subject: New user confused by need to do huge upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:49:15 -0000 Hello, All I am a user of Linux for many years (and an aged BSD sysadmin from 1985-1989), but laterly mainly use Gentoo. FreeBSD seemed to be a good alternative, so I get the 6.0 release a few days after it was released. Being a Gentoo person, I like the ports system, but with limited time on my hands, I also like the compiled packages. I can get a working system from packages then compile my own ports as need or want be. Or so I thought. I installed from two CDs, and got a working KDE system. Now, I want to do Firefox from ports with my own make.conf for P4 optimisation. Good! So, I sync with the sources using cvsup (just like emerge --sync) change to the Firefox ports directory, type "make" and enter dependency hell like has never been known before. Everything that depends upon GTK2 must be updated before Firefox can be compiled! I thought that FreeBSD would be more stable than Gentoo and Linux distros in general. I now find that there is the most major release step (5.4 to 6.0) and within a matter of a few days later, both Gnome and KDE are subject to huge updates that require many hours (or maybe days - it's not done yet) of CPU time. Maybe I am missing something. However, I just cannot see why this is right. What I thought that FreeBSD would give me that Gentoo did not is a coherent system within which deveopment was co-ordinated. Instead, I seem to find the opposite. The core group can offer a major release of the OS, while missing the fact that two hugely important development groups are just days off their own major releases. Maybe there is a level of sanity I am missing as a newcomer to BSD, but I would really like someone to tell me where to find it so that I can stop having to use this bloody Windows laptop to post here ;-) Regards A