From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 29 00:14:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5BB106566B for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F258FC08 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1LnifH-00075S-KP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:14:15 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-74-156.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.74.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:14:15 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-74-156.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:14:15 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:14:57 -0400 Lines: 90 Message-ID: References: <49C98507.6040905@gwi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-74-156.res.east.verizon.net User-Agent: KNode/0.99.01 Sender: news Subject: Re: installing freebsd on windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:14:17 -0000 Harold Hartley wrote: > I am wondering if the freebsd team has ever thought of making freebsd to > install on windows like ubuntu does. Sorry - I am not quite certain what you mean by this. FreeBSD is an "operating system", just as Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc are different operating systems. If you mean as in a dual-boot configuration it is doable and has been done by users for many years. It is easiest to install Windows first and leave sufficient free space on the rest of the hard drive into which FreeBSD can be installed. As to boot loaders there is a choice to make, but some form of boot loader which presents a menu at boot time will enable one to choose which OS to enter. Much of this requires knowledge a neophyte may not possess. While there is much excellent documentation within the FreeBSD project, it may not be easy stuff for the non-computer geek. However, with study, patience, and some degree of trial and error the knowledge is ultimately attainable. > I'm just a person that can't afford more than one computer cause I live > in a nursing home and I would like to be able to use one computer to > choose what I want to boot into, such as windows or unbuntu and maybe a > freebsd choice. While I don't wish to enter the desktop flame war, FreeBSD can make an excellent desktop. There are even a couple of desktop oriented projects which are probably easier for a beginner to get going with. One thing you should probably be aware of though - in spite of the above statement FreeBSD has historically been more server oriented. If you are not a system administrator in a data center running servers there is less impetus for you to choose it as a desktop OS. If you are already utilizing a Linux desktop such as Ubuntu with Gnome or KDE and are satisfied you may only be duplicating your efforts for no real particular advantage. FreeBSD is historically a better "server" operating system. > I don't always want to boot into windows, except for the 3 apps I have > to use windows for. Lol! The opposite is true for me. I keep a VirtualBox VM with Windows XP handy in case I need some Windows app temporarily (Office). > I do boot into ubuntu 90% of the time and enjoy it so much, but I have > read about freebsd and researched it fully and I wish I could be able to > run freebsd as with all the apps freebsd has to offer. I would love to > be able to install freebsd under windows so I could choose freebsd to > boot into when I want. If you have a sufficiently powerful machine you can use a Virtual Machine such as VMware or VirtualBox where you can install and run other operating systems in a virtual environment. This is opposed to the dual-boot described above, as it enables you to run multiple "Virtual" computers at the same time - no need to reboot. This is also a great way to go if you want to experiment with varieties of different software(s) without trashing your main operating system. These VMs are all available as packages for Ubuntu. > I hope to hear from freebsd about my request, and by the way, I'm not a > linux expert so I don't know everything about linux, but I'm always > learning. > IMHO learning is a good thing. You should know that we are not "FreeBSD", but rather a mailing list of people who use FreeBSD. Communities of aficionados will be quite diverse, but while many in a hardcore Unix group will be sympathetic to a point many others will not. YMMV I noticed quite a few years ago a striking difference between the Microsoftian Windows world and Unix. Many in the Windows world pop a disk in a machine and click "OK" in a dialog box a few dozen times and consider themselves instant "Computer Knowledgeable". I work in both environments and one thing attracting me more to the Unix world was the fact that many more Unix workers were college graduates with Computer Science degrees. It is very easy for such highly educated individuals to look down upon those from the Windows universe. One group knows what the other is missing, in spite of the fact the other may not. Couple that with geeky personalities in general and it can be abrasive at times. Such highly educated people typically can seem somewhat intolerant towards those who haven't yet acquired a certain ground floor skill level. Many others are more welcoming when they perceive someone who truly wants to learn. again: YMMV! Don't let it discourage you from learning. Learning new stuff constantly is a good thing, and if you don't push a little into uncharted territory you'll stagnate, and that's just not interesting. Just my $.02 :-) -Mike