From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 27 17:09:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F771065673; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77868FC1F; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1RH7f21038322; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:08:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20080227.100812.-963151432.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20080225175841.GC81874@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <20080225005429.38f0c91a@bhuda.mired.org> <20080225.000744.-345418608.imp@bsdimp.com> <20080225175841.GC81874@dragon.NUXI.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: find -lname and -ilname implemented X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:09:52 -0000 In message: <20080225175841.GC81874@dragon.NUXI.org> "David O'Brien" writes: : On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:07:44AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > In message: <20080225005429.38f0c91a@bhuda.mired.org> : > Mike Meyer writes: : > You fail to understand the complex interplay of politics here. These : > people do not want to see beyond it. They want to shut you down : > because you aren't using their beloved Linux. They use stupid excuses : > to not do things. This is about removing barriers to entry. This : > isn't about being popular. : .. : > : Um, if FreeBSD has to become GNU in order to win GNU users, what's the : > : point? Skip the pain, switch to GNU, and get the popularity you want : > : and the platform you deserve with no delay. : > : > Hello? BSDL calling. You left your GPL here and we don't want it. : : For some of these uses of FreeBSD - I really have to wonder if : GNU/kFreeBSD (Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland : using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel) isn't a better : choice. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ : : One can keep their kernel changes private IP without worry. I doubt most : companies would claim they have IP that needs protecting in their GNU : userland changes. True, but using the GPL goes beyond just giving out your changes. If you mess up in shipping your product, even once, even by accident, the GPL has a provision that terminates your license, so you are unable to ship that "work" any more until you go back to the license hold and get it restored. This aspect of the GPL is used by GPL-trolls to extract payments from companies. It is also little enforced by other IP holders if you make it right. Warner