From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 10 14:55:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E54B106567E for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@sugioarto.com) Received: from mailserv.regfish.com (mailserv.regfish.com [79.140.61.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ED78FC26 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16013 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2012 14:55:07 -0000 Received: from pd9ec072c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO yuni.sugioarto.com) (46959-0001@[217.236.7.44]) (envelope-sender ) by mailserv.regfish.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2012 14:55:07 -0000 Received: from zelda.sugioarto.com (zelda.sugioarto.com [192.168.0.12]) by yuni.sugioarto.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417C81BAC57; Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:55:05 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sugioarto.com; s=mail; t=1339340105; bh=x6op1Q1vW1/FSrpNpR4bhSTWNH4Jx5URL5JDIlFRCBk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Ruw6d1sCtF1eovtcjH0hhbqy2X0iYSlKnT9271jcW4jVUEGCa5f8jk8qunZUAR+Um eL8M8s4kMWL3LXB5HOqhhY3ABhHgK9aplXb6V2qJmMhWpgX85aa5Dyg+X93yaurqIX SSe2xfaDQfmdUOJBAQyPvY5qstDd42Qt3VSwcY90= Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:54:55 +0200 From: Martin Sugioarto To: Chris Rees Message-ID: <20120610165455.1c59e8ae@zelda.sugioarto.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20120604110339.GA9426@equilibrium.bsdes.net> <4FD2D4CC.3080109@ateamsystems.com> <4FD3003C.4080109@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4FD352FF.9090101@ateamsystems.com> <4FD357F2.9090901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4FD35905.9080500@ateamsystems.com> <20120610121210.3ce1bd9d@zelda.sugioarto.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/mdSH58OQl9a/fUq1FgOpNbV"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: Steve Franks , "O. Hartmann" , Current FreeBSD , freebsd-stable , Adam Strohl Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 14:55:16 -0000 --Sig_/mdSH58OQl9a/fUq1FgOpNbV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Sun, 10 Jun 2012 11:37:09 +0100 schrieb Chris Rees : > Er... people always test their commits. Sometimes edge cases will > creep in, such as the libreoffice failure which was due to different > configurations, but to suggest that the commit wasn't tested is quite > frankly insulting-- it built on a clean system perfectly well. Hi, I don't mean to insult anyone. As I have already told, I am really thankful that people invest their precious time into updating the ports collection. Whatever "clean system" means. It is surely not the default case that someone has got a freshly installed set of ports. Among all the default problems with ports, libreoffice[1] adds to the group of annoyances[2] at the moment. I don't know when I have seen "portmaster -ad" run through successfully last time. I need more and more "-x" options to exclude ports which fail to build. [1] german/libreoffice and libreoffice fails all the time in (LOCALIZED_LANG is set to "de"): Module 'lingucomponent' delivered successfully. 12 files copied, 2 files unchanged ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh dear - something failed during the build - sorry ! For more help with debugging build errors, please see the section in: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development internal build errors: ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/workdir-ports/usr/ports/editors/libreoffice/work/libreoffice-co= re-3.5.2.2/vcl/prj it seems that the error is inside 'vcl', please re-run build inside this module to isolate the error and/or test your fix: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Whatever this tries to tell me. I don't get it. This is a completely useless error message for me. [2] The default annoyances are for example: - After updating perl, php or whatever, it makes sense to enforce updating the modules that belong to these ports. I've seen 100x the same message that p5-XML-Parser does not work and know what it means, but this should be resolved by the port system. I mean, when you update perl, the perl modules won't work anymore. This is totally clear and it makes sense to update them first before going on. - When specifying WITHOUT_X11 the ports should respect this and not try to pull in the X11 variants of ports. I regularly see some ports pulling ImageMagick instead of the already installed ImageMagick-nox11. I still do not fully understand what is going on with WITHOUT_GNOME, but I'll try to figure it out later. But I am quite sure that some ports pull in unneeded Gnome dependencies. - Ports are being marked as interactive and stop the update process. The idea behind portmaster was (earlier) to avoid interactive building of ports and ask all the needed questions, before the builds start. I mean, earlier, I could get out and enjoy some coffee outdoors, now I have to sit at the keyboard. This is unacceptable! ;) - It would be nice to have a mechanism that tells you that your perl, mysql or whatever is not the default version anymore and you should consider updating to the default (and recommended) port. 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