From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 30 21:55:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F6915E1674 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A905A73715 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1561931749; x=1564523749; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=L56cJMEl5J9uPtZ/9OR6NupLWgtjzyxqdGBnIlr/Bio=; b=P/EmTSjxVWA3hYPODPSeww24BnkjBhT+6w58+5jB7JNnaHUxNb2D70xXt6tUM2GULZ/4e9UPQ0Lnk2BRRDMm/ZRjSamj9bH4AnCEnm9sWTUbKs4EqPjDRLMxxWYq7T7bJZBf7Dl4AN85SI06PcgJ5Mqe3/Id+4iMuPJvTlbCNFY= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xYjUwMDAwMDExZmE5NTYuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:55:34 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:55:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hhhnJ-000BnH-Cw; Sun, 30 Jun 2019 22:55:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 22:55:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: sendmail Message-Id: <20190630225533.1d07a8328a1aba45bd6735b5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20190630195102.90e6e481.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20190630092535.7913d305.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190630195102.90e6e481.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A905A73715 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=P/EmTSjx; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.09 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mxbh.socketlabs.com,mxbsg.socketlabs.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; IP_SCORE(-0.21)[ip: (-0.56), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(-0.26), asn: 7381(-0.19), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.867,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:55:51 -0000 On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:51:02 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:50:43 +0000 (UTC), Roderick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > The sendmail version included with FreeBSD ist primarily intended for > > > inter-program communication, log, and local notification. Users who > > > want to run "real mail" systems will probably install Postfix or Exim > > > anyway, > > > > And why not sendmail? Is it not real mail? > > It's a matter of preference. While many admins suggest using Postfix > or Exim, there are still lots of sendmail installations running, so There's one here, my incoming mail server runs sendmail, spamassassin, procmail and dovecot - it gets the job done. My outgoing server runs exim (it was easier to configure to talk to an authenticated relay some years back IIRC), it also gets the job done. > there is nothing bad per se regarding sendmail; it's probably the > convenience of configuration where sendmail is a bit... different. ;-) Quite so, sendmail.cf is a trifle unusual in syntax and the rewriting rules have been growing for decades and have become quite complex and hard to follow in places. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith