From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 09:04:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E030C106568D for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65651A6E14 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:03:32 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120624 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <4FF4BEED.10103@FreeBSD.org> <62039A45-92E4-4588-988D-6DF39D7B01E5@bsdimp.com> <201207050922.25815.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> In-Reply-To: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:04:03 -0000 On 07/05/2012 01:28, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2012-Jul-05 09:22:25 +0200, Jonathan McKeown > wrote: >> As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate, >> that's the sort of thinking that led to things like: >> >> alias dir=ls > > Whilst we're on the subject, can we please also have #define BEGIN > { #define END } wired into gcc to help people migrating from Algol > and Pascal. Um, this kind of elitist crap really isn't helpful. If the new feature gets created, and you don't want to use it, turn it off. No problem. I appreciate the people who've spoken up as to why they wouldn't want to use it, but I haven't seen anything yet that says "having this feature is a universally bad idea." Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection