From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jan 6 16:45:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mango-bay.com (mail.mango-bay.com [208.206.15.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5840C37B417; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from barbish ([63.70.155.104]) by mail.mango-bay.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52377U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:47:42 -0500 From: "Joe & Fhe Barbish" To: "Greg Lehey" Cc: "FBSD Questions" Subject: RE: Editors in base FBSD Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020107102311.G45844@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg: As the original poster of this subject I may have worded my statements based on my experiences of editors I have used on IBM mainframes. Very primitive to me equates to very hard to use (IE very un_user friendly) and I have not read any responses that disagree with that. To me, a command line editor is one that is launched from the FBSD command line as to from within X11. I am building web servers, firewall servers, email servers and none of them will ever have x11 installed or x11 desktops. I need a strong editor launched from the command line that does not need x11 to function. At work I can always plug the development FBSD box into the production hub to gain access to it from my personal production mswindows box and use tn3270 to telnet in or FTP/95 to move selected files over for edit update and return it. But I really need a native FBSD edit solution for disaster recovery where the mswindows LAN is down or not present at that site. So let me re-ask my question to you in better terms. Do you know of any editors that are launched from the command line, that do not need x11 to run, that displays a full screen and uses mouse point & click to position the curser and allows cut or copy and past functions, along with PK keys for top of file, bottom of file, exit with save, exit without save, and standard keyboard arrow button & insert, delete, page up, page down buttons? What I am looking for is a full featured editor like ISPF edit on IBM MVS systems or it's clone PC ISPF EDIT for mswindows? Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:53 PM To: jacks@sage-american.com Cc: Joe & Fhe Barbish; FBSD Questions Subject: Re: Editors in base FBSD On Sunday, 6 January 2002 at 9:51:40 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: > At 10:23 AM 1.6.2002 -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: >> >> I know of vi and ee = very primitive and just primitive >> that are part of the base. Are there any others? If you think vi is very primitive, let alone more primitive than ee, then you've missed something. It's not primitive, it's very powerful, but also a pain to use. >> Are there any command line mouse enabled >> cut & past editors in FBSD? > > Joe: You might consider running your FBSD box(es) directly from your > Windowze workstaton (on LAN) using a telnet client like CRT (or even > SecureCRT). It has all of the abilities for using the copy to > clipboard as with the other win apps... I can't possibly think of a worse solution. I've never seen a Microsoft-based telnet client that wasn't broken, the telnet protocol is insecure, and I've never seen a really good editor which runs under Microsoft. > In fact, I hardly ever use the consoles at the FBSD boxes and use > the Windoze Destop CRT to login to each FBSD box.... now, you have > the best of all worlds with the usual win bells/whistles.... I wonder why you use FreeBSD at all. And now the obligatory Emacs plug. Yes, you *can* use the mouse with Emacs. Yes, you *can* cut, copy and paste (much more easily than with Microsoft). From time to time I have visitors here who have never used UNIX of any flavour, but who want to read (and reply to) their mail. I've given them Emacs to play with (under X, of course), no instruction, and they were able to cope. On the other hand, Emacs is much more powerful than anything I've ever seen under Microsoft (including the Microsoft port of Emacs, available in the Cygwin package). Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message