From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Aug 28 18:39:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E213DBC1C45 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x232.google.com (mail-it0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A51D1CCD; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kmacybsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x232.google.com with SMTP id x131so72687955ite.0; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=eiodlqEXdIKrpjNDcIbNn7L9+SNAD9JkSwfgVCZHsWo=; b=H7RcuS2mx2DNYcoESSdco/IsUOvoFbZwI0ytPGGKrL3va20sQCCpHC7xXkuUtNQjQF 1Smj/GP4XG8OL6ru+X1U7CyKsDJtLgE0S7ZaDgb+8ttH7OK6Sy8FEIhFCFx1veBOsnia RzHij2FkgQsihnNDVhtciykVqsj65EtYlGqsjm5a4/lLhqBPv8ugzU+uvHk0v7ug+0wl tGMFr6rdUjmrq0b/fmtrZuG+hi6E020N5chtCDc4IXklyKIdZ75Yo1Ip4Gki8u71nTT5 t5h4rQwYDrt6vr2QSnDpnvjlPsBtPW1HIeAl0xPdAWS/xQVvfaqwdjJIQJr475C2wAjk t6zA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eiodlqEXdIKrpjNDcIbNn7L9+SNAD9JkSwfgVCZHsWo=; b=dm40y8++K1f0Bhd0zyy1keNdB8XqKpUW/2zXqrnBGZoJDOqfvAepCdw8/lNZluGnTN NTCC2anN0n/EaEXLMx0x3kf+unHNXc1kvWQqY7b6YECYELw4/Z1XDqlLUSdEcarKoyeI rZh2Dbor1KRUI2TaAU5YOP6/cSdsfEYUpcvwGHQxj7aIBBiimWMTYjBtqDrpnO3bjLp+ eg1rFZOtVqu3QROdU/51+ZAYH0/a/HuZoiOrPtAhwZ920d4Ppe9eUVBM0iuS/RadoVU+ yWRz4nw0FvnC4YaDt27Q4HoiNZQJoFGmNIOir/iq32uMM7xGEpCA2FNF3EgoPhfh1i0e hTww== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOtH9gwQ8WNefqFfaNxoz7a7VEBytcnBp7zFz5snjGYq41xQcR5asi9sKYPUta/3/ZYMnTHWaC1QvhXEA== X-Received: by 10.36.121.206 with SMTP id z197mr10109471itc.22.1472409581045; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:39:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kmacybsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.143.11 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:39:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160819073422.4292997b@X220.alogt.com> <20160821144505.27c0f55d@X220.alogt.com> <827183a944ee4052649c152d65204444@schema31.it> <20160822101423.GF18643@e-new.0x20.net> <79F32FFD-BBDF-4359-A4CB-C80A3FC59EAD@FreeBSD.org> From: "K. Macy" Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:39:40 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mGd-dztRdUnM0xDKNbfvLUuJw_o Message-ID: Subject: Re: Benchmarks results for FreeBSD 11 To: Brandon Allbery Cc: Dimitry Andric , Andrea Brancatelli , Kubilay Kocak , Lars Engels , Erich Dollansky , Johannes Dieterich , freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:39:42 -0000 On Sunday, August 28, 2016, Brandon Allbery wrote: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:57 PM, K. Macy > wrote: > >> Can you point to other platforms where the default system compiler has >> disabled functionality? >> > > You have to install LLVM from elsewhere to get full functionality on OS X: > Apple only ships the parts that Xcode cares about. OTOH, this pretty much > only impacts things that want to use LLVM IR. (On the gripping hand, for > some people that is about as relevant as OpenMP.) > > There were some late SunOS 4 releases where you had (p)cc in the base, > with various tools that people expect missing, and had to install SunSoft C > to get a decent compiler and all the tools. (They removed almost all of it > from Solaris 2, of course.) > > Interesting. The primary OSX user doesn't use a compiler. The SunOS example strikes me as being the closest. And it's because they wanted to sell you extra software. Here it's the notion that there is a compiler for "base" and then ports are "everything else". Ultimately, from the user's perspective "base" will just be a particularly well integrated set of packages - including, rather idiosyncratically, a compiler that only has the features required by that package set. -M > -- > brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine > associates > allbery.b@gmail.com > ballbery@sinenomine.net > > unix, openafs, kerberos, infrastructure, xmonad > http://sinenomine.net >