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Date:      Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:39:58 -0700
From:      Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
To:        Trev <freebsd-arm@sentry.org>
Cc:        freebsd-arm@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: RPI3 swap experiments (grace under pressure)
Message-ID:  <16004AB0-B499-4F30-8C14-AAE5E45B0A3B@yahoo.com>
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On 2018-Aug-14, at 5:20 PM, Trev <freebsd-arm at sentry.org> wrote:

> George Mitchell wrote on 15/08/2018 08:33:
>> On 08/14/18 18:17, Jedi Tek'Unum wrote:
>>> I firmly disagree with the entire concept of out of memory killers. =
They are simply evil and in my opinion a complete cop-out. I first =
encountered this kind of kludge back in the =E2=80=9880s with AIX. It =
was bad then and it still is today. Frankly I find it ridiculous that =
they still exist.
>>> [...]
>> However: consider the subject (Raspberry Pi).               -- George
>=20
> When researching whether 512M of RAM was considered "usable" for a =
FreeBSD buildworld, I came across [https://reviews.freebsd.org/D8302] =
from October 2016 where just 256M was considered a test case for i386 =
and amd64 (-j1 I'm assuming) buildworlds which should succeed.

What I see there is pho writing:

QUOTE
I have run stress2 testes on i386 and amd64.
I ran a buildkernel on both i386 and amd64 with 256MB RAM / UP.
Buildworld was run with various small RAM configurations.
END QUOTE

It explicitly lists buildkernel for 256 MiBytes of RAM, not
buildworld. I'm not sure what the "UP" is for. "RAM / UP"
looks like it might be a ratio  but may be it was indicating
not SMP? It not clear if this buildkernel testing included
kernel-toolchain as well.

buildworld was listed separately with nothing explicit about
what "small RAM" was considered to be.

If stress2 is configurable, there is no information on what
the specific test was for retrying the same test or knowing
just what the test was.

> Regardless, my RPi3B+ OOMA issues were completely eliminated by =
replacing the 16G SanDisk "Ultra" card with a "faster" 32G SanDisk =
"Extreme" card which contains all file systems as well as a swap =
partition and runs -j4 buildworld flawlessly. I think this lends some =
support to Warner's view.


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