From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 21 18:33:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC92EBA517 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC5AD8B932 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [80.187.83.47] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpGdg-0004G3-PX; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:52 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id x6LIWhug004075 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id x6LIWdAU004074; Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:39 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: George Hartzell Cc: hw , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What does it mean to use ports? 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Doing that for just one > > package like emacs might take weeks because there are so many > > dependencies. [...] > > > > At some point in the process, it might not work out at all because I > > picked options in contradiction to dependencies. Setting up the tools > > might be the smallest problem. > > All of that is true, but awfully pessimistic. Often things just work. > Other times you have to run down one or two chains of x begets y > begets z. > > I think that learning to build your own things is a good exercise, > even if you switch back to pre-built packages. I compile my own set of the ports I'm used to use with poudriere(8). Based on a list of some 400 ports the result is some 2000 packages ready to install. Very seldom, I tweak the options of some port (for example to add features to mail/mutt, or to add features to x11/xterm) and there are never conflicts among of the options. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub May, 9: Спаси́бо освободители! Thank you very much, Russian liberators!