From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 10:06:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734DB16A4CE; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:06:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EA843D2F; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:06:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) j1CA6wj31182; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Garance A Drosehn" , Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:06:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:06:56 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Garance A Drosehn [mailto:gad@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:59 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as > NetBSD!!! > > > > And frankly, most FreeBSD commiters do not read the -advocacy or > -questions mailing lists (I never read advocacy, for instance). So > maybe only three or four committers have explicitly expressed support > for a LOGO CONTEST. Are you just too dense to understand that supporting a logo contest automatically implies that you are unsatisfied with the current logo? If you like Beastie why on earth would you want a contest to replace him? For the last time, it is not the contest that I and others are objecting to. It is what you intend to do with the results of the contest - that is, replace Beastie. > How many committers have responded here saying > just how much they hate the idea of even running the contest? > Why would they bother posting at all? It is not they who are being attacked - it's you and the others who want to dump Beastie and replace him. Of course since they aren't being attacked they aren't going to have a need to defend themselves. > And let me say once again, this is FOR a LOGO contest -- which is > not the same as being "Anti-beastie". All of us have said that > the Beastie will remain as a mascot. An hour ago you posted this: "if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a new logo" you did NOT say: "if our much-larger user base has any interesting ideas for a logo" Your statement implied that a logo already existed - which in fact it does. You also said: "Somehow the ones who like the PRESENT logo seem to think.." What I see here is that when your using the "we never had a logo before" argument, you pretend a logo didn't exist, but all other times you acknowledge that it does exist. Ted