From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 19:10:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C285106566B; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sendtomatt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2388FC13; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by daec6 with SMTP id c6so4039048dae.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:10:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8NM61RvHpd0nco08UFmTT4EB20SvX+G3fLQ7K5EfR5o=; b=NHm7jDsaTO1kAUnrsWvsS4kdTp+5SvxRoabStLLd3BXv0QZmv1WSN8855LE8+TgACi wgWAHmdguoLlLRxw3vORuZdoH/kxslsxnAZ5zxcBPecYiXMsKFlBfyqPA/VNbBkNxnj4 GchrFTl9Ij0GubRYpM2FZ5A3MRWUb/QxOrot8= Received: by 10.68.219.136 with SMTP id po8mr11829642pbc.39.1329505841597; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bakeneko.local ([75.101.87.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t10sm17387181pbb.18.2012.02.17.11.10.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:10:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3EA5F2.9070804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:09:38 -0800 From: matt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120111 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Goncharov References: <4F3E8225.9030501@FreeBSD.org> <4F3E8C26.3080900@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Alexander Motin Subject: Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:45 -0000 On 02/17/12 09:43, Alex Goncharov wrote: > ,--- I/Alex (Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:10:31 -0500) ----* > | Being mostly a FreeBSD freeloader (or a marginal contributor), I > | shouldn't be complaining, and I am not, but permit me to make a > | personal biased judgment: losing the ability to do a practically > | important thing (a dynamic sound card tuning) which was available in > | 8, makes 9 a "not ready to be released" OS (GUI isn't relevant here.)= > |=20 > | OK, I'll put my upgrades to 9 on hold... Thanks all for clarifying th= e > | situation! > ,--- You/Alexander (Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:19:34 +0200) ----* > | For many users these days not having sound drivers turned on by defau= lt=20 > | is more astonishing. > > Perhaps, but the FreeBSD Handbook has been describing the sound setup > routine very well (the pin assignment methods I learned from some text > you had written -- the man pages or your posts to FreeBSD lists, I > don't remember. Thanks for that!) > > | Luckily most systems don't need hints to get working sound. > > Based on my experience, I disagree with you -- I had to do it in all > the laptops that I installed FreeBSD 8 on (2 -- a low number, but 100% > for me)... I never tried to do it with the desktops, but on my > laptops, I like listing to music while I work. > > | So it depends on point of view. And definitely I see no problem in > | this for updating to 9.0, unless you are already biased against it. > > I am not biased against 9, and I will complete the setup of the three > systems currently being polished, since there is no point in going > back to 8, but I will be unlikely installing 9 on any new system for > some number of weeks. > > A technical question: I have the saved (from 8) copies of > /boot/device.hints for the laptops in question which have lines like: > > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config=3D"as=3D1 seq=3D15 device=3DHeadphones"= > > there. > > What's the best way to use this in 9? To add to the bottom of > /boot/device.hints? Or use in /boot/loader.conf somehow, as was > suggested in one of the replies in this thread? If in loader.conf, > what's the correct syntax? > > Again, thank you for the work on the sound cards, documentation and > advice! > > -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" For what it's worth, it's just a change in GENERIC. It's not hard to compile a kernel with different options, just like linux. Does a Redhat, or Ubuntu kernel meet everyone's need without recompiling or issues? Never. I run both, I'm not trying to start a flamewar. So recompile GENERIC without snd_hda, you're a power user. The handbook is an excellent resource if you've never done it. It's actually nice to have a minimal kernel config available for any kind of testing. Or reboot a few times, it's not that bad! Matt