From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 21:10:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FABE16A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C1543D4C; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ADF2BD7B; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:10:27 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7190351211; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:40:25 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:40:25 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Michael W. Oliver" Message-ID: <20040322051025.GI52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <8128608.1079897638@[192.168.0.5]> <20040322035456.GA80194@gargantuan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k7W93gQNhKgsYkEv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040322035456.GA80194@gargantuan.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:10:31 -0000 --k7W93gQNhKgsYkEv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 22:54:56 -0500, Michael W. Oliver wrote: > On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote: >> Hi JJB, >> >> --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB wr= ote: >>> >>> So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom >>> post? >> >> Outlook fix >> >> OE fix > > Thanks so much for posting these links! Agreed, this looks excellent. > Whether or not those who post email from sub-par MUAs like Outlook > and OE will take heed and make use of these very useful fixes > remains to be seen. I'll certainly put them in my "How to live with Outlook" pages. > What I find comical about this topic (and it never ceases to recur > every few months) is that the clueless who post, asking for clue, > refuse to accept pointers on something so simple as email etiquette > from the same people they assume will provide clue on so many other > more complex issues! Heh. That's human nature. To quote: What is actually happening, I am afraid, is that we all tell each other and ourselves that software engineering techniques should be improved considerably, because there is a crisis. But there are a few boundary conditions which apparently have to be satisfied: =20 1. We may not change our thinking habits. 2. We may not change our programming tools. 3. We may not change our hardware. 4. We may not change our tasks. 5. We may not change the organizational set-up in which the work has to be done. =20 Now under these five immutable boundary conditions, we have to try to improve matters. This is utterly ridiculous. =20 Edsger W. Dijkstra, on receiving the ACM Turing Award in 1972 I've just added this to the FreeBSD fortunes database. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --k7W93gQNhKgsYkEv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXnVBIubykFB6QiMRAqP2AJ42gLd0obZw4YIKmxcAga89uaYG6ACggsrI rUqOnXH4ZsM6B8Kp6M9CgYU= =C32p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k7W93gQNhKgsYkEv--