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Date:      Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:32:31 -0500
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: drive selection for disk arrays
Message-ID:  <753e87e0-8313-faaa-523e-f630a80cb8a4@denninger.net>
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On 3/27/2020 20:46, David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-03-27 17:45, Karl Denninger wrote:
>>
>> On 3/27/2020 19:39, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 2020-03-27 02:45, Polytropon wrote:
>>>
>>>> When a drive _reports_ bad sectors, at least in the past
>>>> it was an indication that it already _has_ lots of them.
>>>> The drive's firmware will remap bad sectors to spare
>>>> sectors, so "no error" so far.
>>>
>>> If a drive detects an error, my guess is that it will report the erro=
r
>>> to the OS; regardless of the outcome of a particular I/O operation
>>> (data read, data written, data lost) or internal actions taken (block=

>>> marked bad, block remapped, etc.).=C2=A0 It is then up to the OS to d=
ecide
>>> what to do next.=C2=A0 RAID and/or ZFS offer the means for shielding =
the
>>> application from I/O and drive failures.
>>>
>> Yes, but...
>>
>> Those drives that can do "SMART" will report (if you have a patrol
>> daemon for it running) if they do a "silent" sector reassignment.
>> Otherwise the OS is none the wiser and neither is ZFS (or anything
>> else.)=C2=A0=20
>
> I guess I need to RTFM:
>
> https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/technical-=
specifications/serial-ata-ahci-spec-rev1-3-1.pdf
>
>
>
>> Needless to say if reassignments increase you might want to
>> think about swapping the drive *before* it blows up!
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>> I have the daemon running on all my machines.=C2=A0 It works nicely an=
d has
>> warned me a few times over the years.=C2=A0 With that said it doesn't =
ALWAYS
>> catch a drive before it pukes.
>
> Are=C2=A0 you referring to periodic, smartd, or something else?
>
>
Smartd.

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Karl Denninger
karl@denninger.net <mailto:karl@denninger.net>
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