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([2601:8c3:8100:160f:d1bb:d658:ce7d:45a6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j62sm2121487iof.53.2020.08.29.21.58.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Aug 2020 21:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Adam Weinberger Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Aggressive ports removal (was: svn commit: r546907 - head/x11-clocks/wmtime) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:58:43 -0600 Message-Id: References: <20200830023352.GA14065@lonesome.com> Cc: Warner Losh , Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Stefan Esser , Niclas Zeising , Michael Gmelin , FreeBSD Developers , tcberner@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, portmgr@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20200830023352.GA14065@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17G80) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BfLhQ6ZVXz4YmS X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=VTfBKMO+; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of adamw@adamw.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=adamw@adamw.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.93 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[adamw]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adamw.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.986]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.922]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[10]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ports] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:37:47 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 04:58:47 -0000 > On Aug 29, 2020, at 20:33, Mark Linimon wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 06:50:22PM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote: >> the problem is that we abuse the BROKEN variable. Ports that don't >> adapt aren't necessarily broken (unless they no longer build and are >> actually broken). We have a habit of using BROKEN to mean "someone >> should take a look at this." Perhaps we need a better way of >> signifying this. >=20 > Hmm, I though that was what DEPRECATED was for? The semantics are a little different. There=E2=80=99s nothing to differentia= te things that we have confidently deprecated, vs things that we=E2=80=99d l= ike people to please take a look at before we give up on it. I think part of= the resistance to marking things for expiration is that we lump =E2=80=9Cth= is no longer has a purpose=E2=80=9D in with =E2=80=9Cplease give this some T= LC or we=E2=80=99ll let it go.=E2=80=9D # Adam =E2=80=94 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org