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Can't the same be achieved > > with "msmtp" which is lighter and easier to configure for simple tasks > > than Sendmail. Hope FreeBSD isn't hanging on to Sendmail due to some > > political issue like being the baby of one of the lead developers / > > founders! > > Note that dma (the DragonFly Mail Agent) appeared in FreeBSD as of 11.2 > (I think, maybe 11.1). It's basically an SMTP client for sending mail > off the machine, not receiving incoming. It can do local delivery too, > if anyone is still using that. When building jails I strip out most > "system" executables including sendmail and use dma if the jail needs to > send mail out. I also use it on headless servers, passing everything to > a smarthost. > > "man dma" for details. This sounds like a welcome solution. Could you send your mail locally to sendmail, and then have sendmail use dma to transfer it to the SMTP "incoming" server of your mail provider? I. e., what a mail relay / "SmartHost" usually does (even though with a different mechanism)? > What do we want? > A time machine! > When do we want it? Whenever we want! Always and never, as well as yesterday, today, and tomorrow, at the same time! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...