From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 28 0:57:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2842137B408 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindspring.com (dialup-209.245.138.226.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.245.138.226]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f8S7vTC02361; Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3BB42D9A.F57F0F2@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:58:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Harding Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror References: <3BAC3644.1CB0C626@mindspring.com> <3BAD1FAE.2F3D40F5@mindspring.com> <20010923011557.B60374@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <015e01c143c8$c93505a0$89941bd8@speakeasy.net> <015d01c14519$80553010$3309f540@bigsky> <3BB0CA62.B1F189A9@mindspring.com> <3BB27025.52611CA7@outpost.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Craig Harding wrote: > > If my former employee shoots my neighbor, I'm not going to care > > whether he was my former employee or not. > > If you trained your employee to shoot, and then included a healthy > supply of weapons in his severance package (and the address of a mate > who could continue to supply him with guns cheap when those ones run > out), can you really claim no responsibility or involvement when he > shoots your neighbour? This is the argument which ends with us arresting pub owners as accessories to second degree murder when a drunk who bought beer at their establishment runs over someone with their car. Note that in most of the world, you can't sue a common carrier, such as an ISP or NSP, for permitting access to porn (yeah, you can sue them "down under", since the politicians down there think it's possbile to know ahead of time and filter out all the "naughty bits" before anyone can see them, because there's a "contains porn" bit on packets, according to the TCP protocol specification, right?). So I guess we should blame governments for the acts of former soldiers, and police departments for the acts of former policemen, and the International Olympic Committee for the acts of former biathletes, if we want to be uniform in our application of the idea that individuals are never responsible for their own actions, and it's always some segment of the larger society which is at fault. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message