From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 5 14:57:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90271065679 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (bigknife-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:75::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FDC8FC27 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m55Ev2oJ098582; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:23:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> In-Reply-To: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200806051023.56065.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [IPv6:::1]); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/7369/Thu Jun 5 09:19:11 2008 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.2 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Jo Rhett Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:57:10 -0000 On Wednesday 04 June 2008 01:20:56 pm Jo Rhett wrote: > Okay, I totally understand that FreeBSD wants people to upgrade from > 6.2 to 6.3. But given that 6.3 is still experiencing bugs with things > that are working fine and stable in 6.2, this is a pretty hard case to > make. > > This is also a fairly significant investment in terms of time and > money for any business to handle this ugprade. It totally understand > obsoleting 5.x now that 7.x is out. But 6.2 is barely a year old... FWIW, at Y! 6.3 is more stable than 6.2 (I had a list of about 10 patches for known deadlocks and kernel panics that were errata candidates for 6.2 that never made it into RELENG_6_2 but all of them are in 6.3). We also have many machines with bge(4) and from our perspective 6.3 has less issues with bge0 devices than 6.2. Given the real world experience I have, your claims of instability w/o even testing 6.3 border on silly. Also, when it comes to bge(4), you need to be _very_ specific about what chipsets you are using and comparing those with the chipsets in the bug reports you read. The bge(4) driver in particular covers a vast range of different hardware variations and is a bit of a hodge-podge itself. If there is a problem with a 5705 card then it may be specific to just 5705 parts and not affect 575x, etc. parts. Again, with 3ware, there are two different drivers (twe(4) vs twa(4)) and again, you need to be more specific with which driver you are using and which model controllers you have. -- John Baldwin