From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 7 23:25:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24015 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from earth.mat.net (chuckr@earth.mat.net [206.246.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA24010 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:25:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by earth.mat.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA21797; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: group assignments from make world. In-Reply-To: <22723.876286392@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I don't mean to sound like Cassandra here, but I really do think that > we need to figure out some other way of dealing with this extra tech > support issue or, at the current rate of increase, all development > time will soon be subsumed entirely by the task of simply reading > email, FreeBSD's principle developers getting about as much actual, > useful work done as the U.S. congress. :-( > > Maybe it's time to institute something a little bit closer to the > XFree86 Project's BETA program? Not all the way in that direction, > where early access is really restricted quite tightly, but something > which might require one to jump through just a few more hoops first > (at a minimum, you'd need to subscribe to the appropriate list and, if > you left it, so would your "license to cvsup" :-). Too draconian? > Not draconian enough? :-) I'm thinking that were giving misleading signals to folks, Jordan. With one hand we're making it easier than ever to run current (WC publishes snaps) and the documentation really isn't scary enough, in warning about the problems involved with being a current user. The XFree86 folks, who have that beta program, are NOT so anxious as we are to have folks running their betas, and their docs say so. If you want to publish some more reminders, or even have another list that has the bootstrap gotchas in it, that's fine, but you have to limit just how much you jump on people who have problems, unless you're willing to restrict access to current a little more tightly. I'm not saying to do it as tight as XFree86, but maybe be a little less open about running current. It just seems that FreeBSD's attitude about current users could be construed as being a little schizophrenic (closer -- closer -- closer -- GET AWAY! GET AWAY! GET AWAY!) > > Jordan >