From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 17:02:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C363FC2A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BAA38FC0A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3912 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 2012 17:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2012 17:01:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=6ul2tvkB5mF8VCZ5usfbomh563QRv5o9SvYm0CVsYaI=; b=QLOTbPHAQWJRBq0bNG+1bIUji08TRHxKvojbY/IHe5l8xZ6PyLaK5uQBoWkA4u9dlvTof41EzfJeRX4xpyNf+29Q9mKtL4WM2tpHxzPknWG3+/RqNeLOWsLqWWkaGQoh; Received: from [24.9.112.144] (port=61350 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tipgc-0005Ur-MF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:01:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:01:34 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Release Date Challenge, plus other stuff the project needs Message-ID: <20121212170134.GA27662@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.9.112.144 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:02:02 -0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 01:52:04AM -0500, Anonymous wrote: > We, the users of FreeBSD, *do hereby challenge* the FreeBSD project > to meet its future release dates. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for 9.1-RELEASE to be finalized. I desperately want it as soon as possible for a laptop currently running such a piece of shit OS (Debian -- used to be good, but after half a dozen years away it went significantly downhill) that I'm about ready to pull out my hair. It needs hardware support not available with FreeBSD until now, and I want stable, -RELEASE software on it to suit my needs. That having been said, I don't "challenge" the FreeBSD project to meet future release dates. This isn't Ubuntu; it's FreeBSD. I'd rather they get it *right* than get it out *quickly*. Hell, even before I stopped using Debian, when I thought it was still good, there were signs of its impending slide into crappiness -- and they all happened around the time the Debian project started trying to meet release dates on a faster development schedule. No . . . I don't want to push the FreeBSD core team to sacrifice the things that make FreeBSD valuable just to meet arbitrary release date guesstimates. Screw that. >=20 > Why: Because the FreeBSD project has not met a significant number > of its release dates. It's an apalling state of affairs and makes > you, the project, look silly. Business and personal users plan > elements of their schedules, budgets and capabilities around OS > updates. And the continual failure of FreeBSD to deliver causes us > to have no alternative but to look at our bosses and just shrug. > We've taken to padding it out a week, two weeks, a month, two > months... just to cover the random slippage. Since there seems to > be no public statements about this ongoing situation, we might as > well pad it to a quarter or a half... FreeBSD's already a half > behind on status reports. Here you make a point I'd like to see addressed. I wish we had a simple way to find out what's going on with the wait. That doesn't mean I want anyone prioritizing speed over quality, though. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlDIuG4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVVewCfTL3wGToL2T3Tiy5BnV6J96TB SRMAoM1y2pNnAZ73jvhmpXreMqfcvyQN =kXWe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5--