From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 07:34:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A6516A4BF for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (a65-124-16-8.svc.towardex.com [65.124.16.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB80343FF2 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from haesu@mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com) Received: by mx01.bos.ma.towardex.com (TowardEX ESMTP 3.0p11_DAKN, from userid 1001) id 773932F946; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:34:36 -0400 From: Haesu To: Tom , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030902143436.GA34200@scylla.towardex.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:34:21 -0000 Policy Proposal 2003-11 at ARIN may end up reducing from /20 to /22 for multihomed organizations. But regardless, getting a /24 is not hard. Ask your upstream. Your upstream provider assigns you a /24, not your regional RIR. Your RIR will only assign you on bigger needs, i.e. /20 as you said. Get on route-views.oregon-ix.net and see to yourself how many /24's are existing on internet routing table, not to mention how many of them are from North America, especially USA. -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc. WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 09:53:54PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Doug Barton wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tom wrote: > > > > > For those in the Americas, ARIN will not give you anything less than a > > > /19 > > > > If this was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time: > > > > http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html > > Strictly speaking it is a /20 now. It was changed. But to get a /20, > you need to prove that you are actually using a /20's worth of space of > already. That means completing filling at least 12 class-Cs. And by > getting a block from ARIN, you are compelled to re-number, meaning most of > your /20 is gone. That is ok, if your network isn't growing too quickly, > but if you are adding lots yet, most networks will want a /19. > > You certainly are not going to get a /24 from ARIN: > > ARIN allocates IP address prefixes no longer than /20. If allocations > smaller than /20 are needed, ISPs should request address space from their > upstream provider. > > > > Doug > > > > -- > > > Tom