Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:53:11 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" <keichii@iteration.net> To: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: hungarian notation Message-ID: <20010123135311.A85645@peorth.iteration.net> In-Reply-To: <XFMail.010123105127.jhb@FreeBSD.org>; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:51:27AM -0800 References: <200101230837.BAA15273@usr08.primenet.com> <XFMail.010123105127.jhb@FreeBSD.org>
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On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:51:27AM -0800, John Baldwin scribbled: | | On 23-Jan-01 Terry Lambert wrote: | > There were really two narrow windows in history where forces | > converged to turn out good code hackers; thankfully, in the | > second you didn't have to pay for CPU seconds. You still get | > some, but I have to say that the yields have dropped since | > everyone can own as good hardware as the best thing they are | > likely to be able to play with in the first two years at the | > local university (part of the "force them to hang out together | > to have access to the machines" synergy thing there, too). | | I would like to think that there are still some youngun's kicking around who Too few of those exist.. I have been a TA at my school for a few semesters. The new crop barely knows windows well enough. And you've heard my horror stories... | can code their way out of a cardboard box. Mostly cause I like to think that I | can code my way out of a cardboard box. I don't know how slow you would prefer | starting machines to be, but I can recall writing a simple 3D maze | program/psuedo game my senior year in high school that had to run on 386sx/20's | in the lab. :-P It was very basic (no textures, just flat walls and distance | shading) but it was noticably better on the one 486/33 in the room. Oh the good old days. :) I remember brute forcing my way through a Mercenne prime finder.. | As for the problems with kids at school not learning from each other, this is | something that I saw while in college myself. I was an admin for our undergrad | CS lab, and the only people that really used the lab were all the business | majors that had to take Intro to C. All the CS majors were at home. They did | force us to do some group projects, but the way most of those worked out was These guys are barely able to use Visual Studio or other GUI IDE's after graduation. (Granted, there are exceptions.) | that each person would pick a piece of the project and run off and do it and | then we'd have fun integrating it all at the end. (Usually we would at least | lay out the interfaces first so that integration wasn't too difficult.) Some of it may be because they do not really enjoy programming or the stuff they do. And rarely do professors teach how to "plan to program." In theory, and verified by my own "testing," people are supposed to spend more than 2/3 the development time in planning the project down to the last detail. None of the courses that I have taken has given me that knowledge. The idea does exist in many software engineering books... | However, I can say that nothing beats face-to-face group work when it comes to | helping each other find bugs, devise optimal algorithms, interfaces, etc. For | SMPng, many of us have had to settle for IRC as a poor substitute, but I would | love to be able to get us all together for a week in a room somewhere with a | steady flow of pizza and caffeine. :) Right, nothing beats a group of hackers in the same room for productivity. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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