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Date:      Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:37:46 -0700
From:      Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
To:        mjacob@feral.com
Cc:        Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/kern kern_shutdown.c
Message-ID:  <384E0ACA.BBCA08C0@softweyr.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9912072331160.35786-100000@beppo.feral.com>

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Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, it is in fact. If you cannot guarantee data integrity, you shouldn't
> > > be running on it. If you have to run on it, don't expect data integrity.
> >
> > I thought your argument was "we ought to work properly where it's
> > possible, rather than pursue some golden ideal of perfection"?
> 
> No- not quite. We should claim to support sane hardware, but shrug and
> hand the user the bullets if they want to end it all for themselves.

Some of those oddball drives (like Zip) can be quite beneficial for certain
applications.  When you need ~100 MBytes of storage, there aren't many
cheaper ways to get it than a Zip drive.  Reliability?  Well, it has some.

> > > (okay, so it's a couple of buffers at shutdown- in any case, perhaps the
> > > driver that sees Synchronize Cache not working should do something else-
> > > maybe calculate the Pareto for the first occurence of a y3k bug)
> >
> > You could just delay for a couple of seconds and guarantee that even if
> > the Synchronise Cache command didn't work, the drive will still have
> > flushed it's cache.  Oops, looks like that's what I committed the other
> > day.
> 
> You're toying with me, aren't you?

Yes, Mike enjoys that sort of sport.  ;^)

-- 
            "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

Wes Peters                                                         Softweyr LLC
wes@softweyr.com                                           http://softweyr.com/


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