From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 08:15:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA02B16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:15:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A86A43D2D for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:15:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j078FCLc016190; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:15:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.200] (pptp.ebs.gr [10.1.1.200]) by ebs.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j078F7rB012629; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:15:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.9]); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:15:00 +0200 Message-ID: <41DE4504.5040300@ebs.gr> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:15:00 +0200 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Achilleus Mantzios References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:15:16 -0000 Achilleus Mantzios wrote: > First off, Good Year to anyone. > > I'd like to share my thoughts on the FreeBSD binary java distribution > and the FreeBSD Foundation issue. > > I pretty much acklowledge the efforts of the FBSDF, as well as > that the diablo jdk13 is the only one achievement of the FBSDF, at least > as it presented > in their site. Also ,the funding of Alexey's work was essential > in the viability of the jdk14 port. > > However, as another person said, freebsd users > only use the port and not the binary. > And taking into account the many areas of need in the rest of > the system in its current status (5-STABLE, CURRENT), > i think it would make sense to save the money that was supposed > to go to SUN, for funding development of other areas in the system. > > Most users are quite happy with jdk14 i suppose. Although I am one of those users happily using the jdk14 port, I can't say that I find the situation satisfying. When I am trying to pitch a Java solution on FreeBSD to a customer I have to ask them to have the jdk preinstalled for me, since I can't legally redistribute it. Clients who don't have an existing FreeBSD installation or don't care about the solution's underlying OS (which is why they usually pick Java in the first place), wonder why on earth they should not go with Linux instead. For developer's like myself the port is fine. For managers (either selling or bying products) it is a nightmare. Personally, I consider Alexey's financial support and the binary distribution license as the most important thing that the FreeBSD Foundation has ever done for the future of the community. Cheers, Panagiotis