From nobody Mon Apr 18 17:47:27 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9637D11E778B for <freebsd-scsi@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org>; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:47:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe34.google.com (mail-vs1-xe34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KhvXW6FQSz3hcF for <freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org>; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:47:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe34.google.com with SMTP id v133so9761911vsv.7 for <freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org>; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:47:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=uJ7nIKvxz6+vFf96cmpI0hla5DItUAmYqsZZ+yaN3SY=; b=ObRKnW+mg3TswM+s3yGvefHbRn32aH+00jfkboc2xTlPEO1FCXhPQ/yFxNKJqmyXcl MUsEwWqiGLjI5p0TNHrVmN5AFKn8OS7WW301MXrrlEl9tcrv717S0gUPg78/dZPvRp/s iEQq6D/9JAoxsLNM8s8YVQoSUlx2xvlvHXVZqe+5F2Irm0NzupFEHoOVvHHU3h82Nq3K ODiELaufw/mjDAQWDciRBnB9fAoiit37hQ1ltGRVnReuD6/IAX9ZBwEv49w4rHTZqkmY i6tM6ctqzuqYwQgqNH3P1Bueebs8e1liF9Dixo6znOBgcp3GNN82A3kCBXgBhwb5W64W JhFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=uJ7nIKvxz6+vFf96cmpI0hla5DItUAmYqsZZ+yaN3SY=; b=I+HxydyKDLyZgYE1PEtembktBfm2LbKz+mLr0Mz8H0e11JUXOZwKwn/K9hF4e3DhU6 ULNOaON8YXGSS+0zytZJ7hlOXwyK2cW47fBet+J9NyLsHcnPXbwwTN84X9VLXV8MggzX 7EudESJNPvwmvCnRuzRbqY6yMaroUjTWbWawXOR5Ynh/NGA3owz4+/QjE4QR3SJQ3y30 iA/jpS1Fd+rizlKJgHng2Hewpn7rmpd/zICk11YBmdKV925biPRNACOcQ4EywKXEyr6A 5pS+cZgp1pbrKJLRKih6UmIzhslmCD3C5uGHeCkh0+/+Pi7liikjzZiabSJexVX9h69L Omxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531alQ7sxdpNOe0RXWiM64L7NpiKbLF8mA2aeGRwzEWVCNAI7TBX JvQ+9CY8NEjK1mESCWSaSIgAYMuXDobFrt6OaIXZ/xVQ9YkNoA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8FlxTCSAGRa+KjUOewuIBCIuMf8LnvsZtvDiRSdSRt84XI3TeB5F/sg9r4e7tZCDIY1P3ydPSXJTlBUrTcpo= X-Received: by 2002:a67:746:0:b0:328:33e3:6079 with SMTP id 67-20020a670746000000b0032833e36079mr3295596vsh.17.1650304058794; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:47:38 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: SCSI subsystem <freebsd-scsi.freebsd.org> List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-scsi List-Help: <mailto:scsi+help@freebsd.org> List-Post: <mailto:scsi@freebsd.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:scsi+subscribe@freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:scsi+unsubscribe@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:47:27 -0600 Message-ID: <CANCZdfr7u0Emk=+6butKsjAgYcgJhvTZu3rv7X6N6Pozdx7tcA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: WWN To: freebsd-scsi <freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000032389405dcf15b3d" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4KhvXW6FQSz3hcF X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.s=20210112 header.b=ObRKnW+m; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e34) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com:s=20210112]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.995]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::e34:from]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.23)[3]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-scsi]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --00000000000032389405dcf15b3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Is there a reason we don't rely primarily on WWN changing to detect a disk change at a particular location? I know it's not universally available, but anything made in the last 15 or 20 years should have one if my research is correct... Or is this just a case of inertia? I'm looking at making ahci a little more resilient to transient outages, and thought it might be best to key primarily off this and secondarily off other changed information when that's not available. If I had a WWN, then I'd know the disk that was gone for 500ms is the same one and I could resume its operations and still detect that someone unplugged drive A and plugged in drive B. Warner --00000000000032389405dcf15b3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Is there a reason we don't rely primarily on WWN chang= ing to detect a disk change at a particular location? I know it's not u= niversally available, but anything made in the last 15 or 20 years should h= ave one if my research is correct... Or is this just a case of inertia?<div= ><br></div><div>I'm looking at making ahci a little more resilient to t= ransient outages, and thought it might be best to key primarily off this an= d secondarily off other changed information when that's not available. = If I had a WWN, then I'd know the disk that was gone for 500ms is the s= ame one and I could resume its operations and still detect that someone unp= lugged drive A and plugged in drive B.<br><div><br></div><div>Warner</div><= div><br></div></div></div> --00000000000032389405dcf15b3d--