From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat May 11 15:59:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A505A15A0B17; Sat, 11 May 2019 15:59:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "slim.berklix.org", Issuer "slim.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E4678DBB6; Sat, 11 May 2019 15:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p2E52CF95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.82.207.149]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x4BFxRQS073345 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 May 2019 17:59:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id x4BFxQIX036570; Sat, 11 May 2019 17:59:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x4BFx2Fe030820; Sat, 11 May 2019 17:59:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <201905111559.x4BFx2Fe030820@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Eugene Grosbein cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-101: obsolete driver removal planned for 2019-05-18 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs http://stolenvotes.uk User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Sat, 11 May 2019 21:48:08 +0700." <3c911071-f794-1e27-87e1-16a789a95852@grosbein.net> Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 17:59:02 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6E4678DBB6 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; URI_HIDDEN_PATH(1.00)[http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/customise]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.63)[0.628,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.59)[0.594,0]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: slim.berklix.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.90.185.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[149.207.82.46.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33824, ipnet:94.185.88.0/22, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[asn: 33824(-0.36), country: DE(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 15:59:39 -0000 Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 11.05.2019 21:32, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > >> I've posted a review to remove obsolete 10 and 10/100 Ethernet drivers > >> as previous approved in FCP-101. > >> The following drivers are slated for > >> removal from FreeBSD-HEAD (to be FreeBSD-13): > >> > >> ae, bm, cs, de, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > > > > OMG ! ed ! That EOL's loads of PC boxes I have (& a show box of > > spare) that will never be able to upgrade. > > Do those boxes have 10M-only or 100Mbps variants of ed(4)? > What kind of hardware do they have (CPU and memory-wise)? Thanks for question. I ran a quick check: cd /usr/src; # Apply my patches: # customise `pwd` # http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/bin/.csh/customise cd /sys/amd64/conf grep device [A-Z][A-Z][A-Z][A-Z].small | grep ed DUAL.small:device ed FILM.small:device ed KING.small:device ed LAPA.small:device ed LAPD.small:device ed LAPL.small:device ed LAPN.small:device ed LOFT.small:device ed MINI.small:device ed SCAN.small:device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 15 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 0x10000 SLIM.small:device ed SNOW.small:device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 5 iomem 0xc8000 WIND.small:device ed My master config file is http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/src/jhs/sys/amd64/conf/HOLZ (Its public but only for my convenience, not asking anyone to struggle with that!) None of those machines are newish, & some very old, some obsolete, some still very useful, eg host SCAN running 4.11 embedded ! http://berklix.com/scanjet/ I need to look more what I can scrap, but ed was extremely common once, inc for pcmcia, I bet loads of machine have embedded ed & ed0. If its a shortage of hardware is the problem let me know. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen Kent http://stolenvotes.uk Brexit ref. stole votes from 700,000 Brits in EU. Lies bought; Groups fined; 1.9 M young had no vote, 1.3 M old leavers died.