From owner-freebsd-arch Sun Mar 18 15: 8:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF5437B71B for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:08:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17916; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAtlaO8I; Sun Mar 18 16:05:07 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18049; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:08:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103182308.QAA18049@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: NO MORE '-BETA' To: arch@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:08:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: bright@wintelcom.net (Alfred Perlstein) In-Reply-To: <20010318091633.B98788@dragon.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at Mar 18, 2001 09:16:33 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > That is an inappropriate response, from someone that hacks their kernel > > > daily. > > > > I'm not sure what you mean. > > I mean your responce of telling ports maintainers to hack their kernel > sources (admittedly a small hack), may be out of the scope of what they > care to do. How does CVSup in checkout mode handle local mods? Its head explodes. CVSup needs to be modified to let you tell it to automatically CVSup onto a vendor branch, so that what's in the remote repository is stored locally in a vendor branch. This would get rid of the conflicts caused by local modifications, and you could do local "merge to head" to update local sources. Unfortunately, it's very hard to get into the CVSup sources because of the language they are written in, and the tools and memory normally required to run them. > > This whole -BETA topic is about us getting so removed from the > > users that we don't realize when we do evil things to them. > > You mean about our non-RELEASE RELENG_4 users getting so removed from us, > they read email lists, FAQs, or pay any attention to how things work > here. ;-) Depends on your point of view; whose convenience is more important, the programmers', or the thousands of users per programmer who use the resulting code? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message