From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 13 20:45:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25445 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (ted@cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25436 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ted@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from ted@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00514; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980513234553.29881@cheddar.netmonger.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:45:53 -0400 From: Ted Stein To: Amancio Hasty Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Are we a Political Action Committee ? References: <19980514113345.U320@freebie.lemis.com> <199805140255.TAA18952@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199805140255.TAA18952@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 07:55:52PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 07:55:52PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > My view was personal and it did not involved the group . I did CC the group > with the hope of inviting the State Attorney to respond not just to me > but to the group and to start a discussion. My email was signed by me > and it did not represent the group's view that should have been > obvious however I accept the gross interpretation and apologies for > that. > > To those who really detested what I did, advocacy is an art irrespective > of how it is implemented there will always be some that hate / love > an approach so if you are easily excitable or offended then perhaps > this mailing list is not for you. > Your approach was not the approach I would have taken. In addition, a simple apology would've sufficed for your actions, rather than an "if you disagree maybe this isn't for you". > > In fairness , we are attempting to define ourselves so mistakes will > be made along the way and I hope that we can correct them. > > Now the hard part , it is not clear how we can shape up this group > to do any kind of advocacy . This is mostly due to our culture > kind of anarchism due to mostly non-involvement . > > Given that perhaps the advocacy mailing list should be a forum to > discuss ideas on how to conduct or carry out advocacy where it > really counts, out of this mailing list in an open forum > This list IS a forum to discuss ideas on how to carry out advocacy. However, going against Microsoft is not advocating FreeBSD, and attaching a carbon copy of our list does, in fact, implicate our (as the community) involvement in your actions. Once again, this is not the approach I would've taken, and an apology would suffice, as most of us disagreed with your actions; not so much as the idea, but the attaching it to us, and in some cases (as mine) both. -- -------+----------------------+------------------------+ /)_(\ | Ted Stein | ted@taki.net | (/. .\)| CGI/Backend | http://www.taki.net | \(T)/ | taki solutions, inc. | Web Design and Hosting | () ()|----------------------+------------------------+ ()-() | "Chicken Little only has to be right once." | -------+-----------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message