From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 3 16:17:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0E0C65723 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA9A51820 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id uB3GHRGn036767 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id uB3GHRjH036764; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:17:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:17:27 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: David I Noel cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Replies to spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20161124123456.056654ff@archlinux.localdomain> <20161124171051.GA32472@becker.bs.l> <3E.0D.19237.9CB8A385@dnvrco-omsmta01> <20161127085920.3dc07007@moonstudio> <20161129061033.GA2007@c720-r292778-amd64> <20161129094958.10e7a931@archlinux.localdomain> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.1 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 03 Dec 2016 09:17:27 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 16:17:29 -0000 On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, David I Noel wrote: > I hope we can at least agree on one thing--that however many people > take one side or the other (though I'm not really sure how many > "sides" there are here), this entire conversation is fairly pointless > as nothing is going to change. > > We are not the "deciders". Project decisions get made behind walled > gardens by an anointed few offline, or on lists that a select group > have access to, and no one on the outside has any insight into, or say > in the process. Unless maybe you donate lots of money. That type of decision could be made by core, but there is a dogma with some aspects of the project that is difficult to overcome. "Historically, we have always done it this way, therefore that is the way it must always be done."