From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:44:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7D21065670 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694078FC0C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.164]) by pd5mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 17:44:35 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=5UZud9IOzPkg_qJ3KQIA:9 a=U5_zXvkp4YtGFb6mBXwA:7 a=g1vS45_6_aV59LetHSzmZvV61tIA:4 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml2no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 17:44:35 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36791701E for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:44:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:44:34 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081116164434.72e7bef6@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <20081116195718.F26015@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:44:36 -0000 On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100 FBSD UG wrote: > why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? > If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later > this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid warning and, imho, i think it is inappropriate to suggest he is trolling simply because he is repeating a his point (as some others have). while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would be unfortunate if it did so in the way windoze or even certain linuxes have become 'popular'. imho, it is better to stay small offering quality and bring others up to a standard, rather that walking down the windoze-wannabe lane. we tried various linuxes, openbsd, netbsd and found them all good in many respects (we tried windoze too for that matter and even liked win95 and win98 a decade ago), but we settled on freebsd for both our server and our desktop (my son uses ubuntu because of certain graphic and hardware advantages) because we found it cleaner and simpler. (so i don't get to do some things that i could on say kubuntu, i still prefer freebsd. i don't use a desktop for instance, i use dwm instead.) personally, while having 'goodies' may be nice, maintaining the integrity of an os (and i'm not talking about coding), seems to me to be more important. and of course one of the best things about freebsd is the tone of this list. people here are both helpful and honest, the 2 do not have to be mutually exclusive. i see no reason why freebsd needs to imitate something it doesn't want to be just to offer goodies and grab more followers. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's