From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 19:20:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86091065676 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734348FC21 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so13017467pbc.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0WjXqdZ94uD+uxOK5bZnVZckXxW3bnEYacQpmB2/M4Q=; b=x9fpngmNhXp75Rd0jTLa0H0P+nu6gibqV2VWq3WvptfYQan4FCe/CQw8i9xdWtcNmd cRHHDptUg/3fWsIOXliI7GMwPdwh58cmGwHcBL96HK8bqrTdbrB2bTpWRpRWjtPAHs70 XnPu+hr/e8dku55iohSFXDDnMOCNbSgjYCOwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.75.135 with SMTP id c7mr88182754pbw.43.1325445634917; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:20:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: doug@safeport.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: sour grapes .. was FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:20:35 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:41 PM, doug wrote: > I wish someone with some FreeBSD weight would make this request, but I > think this thread got a little off topic. > Oh buddy... > > The main thrust of the FreeBSD project seems to be making the best server > OS possible. That I think they do that pretty well. I have long held that > to be viable long term in the server game you have to at least be credible > in the desktop game. I hope some of the desktop projects will bear fruit in > this area. I bought into FreeBSD as PC-BSD and am enjoying it greatly. It beats Windows, for me, and makes considerably more structural sense than the Linuxes I have experienced (Debian and, more recently, Ubuntu.) The boot configuration and directory structure is more comprehensible. If I were not too old and (more to be point) too obsolete technically I > would put my efforts where my thoughts lead me. As it is, I use FreeBSD as > a desktop because it requires me to get into areas just administering a > server farm would never take me. The upsie fpr me is that never crashes. > That it works okay on an 800MHz, 500MB old dell server does not hurt > either. The pain that comes with that is my choice. > I never had the skill and still don't. As users go I'm pretty knowledgeable, and in fact was once a Windows network desktop tech in a big hospital corporation, but as far as writing code and making a serious difference, nope, sorry, I never learned how. > > That said, FreeBSD has a giant disadvantage in the desktop world. In > trying to find if there will be any sort for my current laptop I don't know what your current laptop is, but PC-BSD is running fine on my Sony Vaio VPC-EC2TFX/W1, on my Asus eee, and it runs acceptably on my Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950, although it tend to forget the screen size on that one and need to be reminded from time to time. I came across a comment from Robert Noland saying that Xorg is becoming > more and more Linux centric. That is a problem the FreeBSD project can not > overcome. Sure it can, the same way Linux got where it is today - get people's interest. I think PC-BSD should help. Or, some FreeBSD project people can contribute to the Xorg project as well... it's not over, we're just where we are. > That along with the way Intel does its video drivers makes supporting new > stuff non trivial if not daunting. > And that, alas, is beyond my ability to even address. Jeff > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " >